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diana_coman: asciilifeform, re britanistan I'm still searching for the essence of my deep problem that keeps me here; but historically it comes after having enough of Italy after having enough of France after having enough (more than enough!!!) of Ro

mircea_popescu: and by su i mean, of course, us.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 time i sent a ( precursor to fg ) to ro, it took... what, 6 wks ? and ~0 of the original wrapping remained iirc

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did know of Framedragger's experience yes; similarly I have my own experience of Ro post brazenly not only kidnapping packages as in...entirely, vanished etc

asciilifeform: i had nfi that they made faux-su dex there.

asciilifeform: and yeah i did assume that diana_coman read the Framedragger l0gz, knew that the british brazenly molest and kidnap parcels

asciilifeform: same, i suspect, era, suggested also by the degree of yellow

asciilifeform: diana_coman: pretty sure i have that same ace at least.

mircea_popescu: i suspect yours is ulterior militarism

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i heard it originally in the hotel trade, "if guest calls desk at 3am to ask for a cucumber, the only acceptable question is how large"

mircea_popescu: sometimes i guess.

cruciform: I've been reading the logs, and my head hurts

mircea_popescu: i think rockstars talk like that.

mircea_popescu: maybe. i don't think it was anything deeper than just the response, tbh.

mircea_popescu: i don't mean, the complete list, from "don't route my emails through fucking atlanta so they can be arrested in rem, imbecile, especially not if you advertise nationalist lithuania or w/e the fuck, scammer" to "don't give away my harddrives to schmucks, what the fuck is wrong with you".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and besides, i'll bet you bitcoin to donuts they DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.

mircea_popescu: shinohai that's ok, i'd rather grow an amateur beard.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D

a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized".

diana_coman: ah, I was thinking more post/blog style I guess; anyways, I'll link to log then I suppose

trinque: I'm headed to bed, will respond to any other feedback in the AM.

trinque: can certainly say at least 24hrs; I was willing to say "at least a month"

trinque: hadn't decided yet, but I'm fine with it being quite long. ideally the deposit_request table doesn't fill up with bunk requests.

trinque: in the longstanding tradition of republican payments, deedbot thanks you for your donation. or put more kindly, I don't want to keep a list of names and people's addresses; deposit amounts are meant to identify a person only at a point in time.

mircea_popescu: trinque what happens if i send the payment twice ?

trinque: I don't like writing functions that try to figure out what kind of inputs they were handed. (and I write lisp, even)

trinque: mircea_popescu: another thing to note is you asked to be able to pay arbitrary addresses. can do, but I much prefer that be done with !!withdraw rather than !!pay. otherwise I'm stuck worrying about whether some person registers an address as nick.

trinque: I might not be inclined to hold money for folks that have been severely negrated by enough of the lordship.

trinque: I haven't put anything into place, but it's interesting to consider how the wot and access to wallet might interact.

trinque: lol I don't, but it's a fine policy.

trinque: depending on the level of trust I put in freenode

mircea_popescu: should i hold off on this ?

trinque: hey, I got scooped by lobbes!

mircea_popescu: so what do i use, fractionals ?

mircea_popescu: trinque soo, can i pay these ?

trinque: very cool. soon as I'm done mucking around in deedbot's innards, it'll get a proper write-up. docs should be pretty self-explanatory though.

lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-02 03:16:09: <lobbes> also to note that going forward, all BTC payments will be done through the deedbot wallet service. If someone wants to pay via that method, let me know and I'll generate the invoice

trinque: I've got 'em, will make sure they pop out the other end.

lobbes: should I re-deed those or are they in the queue?

trinque: it'll respond when I fire it back up

trinque: I'm over here working on the thing

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, i'd love to see variant keys.

asciilifeform: ( initially i was building for the mips cpu of the original protocardano, and hence EVERYTHING that could be thrown out --- was )

asciilifeform: i'll dig it out, if you end up using this.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, oh, I'll certainly read that

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the item is currently plaintext ; i would like to have at least the forms of correctness.

asciilifeform: i won't put my signature on a leaking rsatron. but i also grasp 'go to war with the shovel you have', we're for instance still using rotten ol' gpg.

diana_coman: fwiw I do see where asciilifeform is coming from and esp re leaking keys but at the same time can't stall eulora on this either, so some sort of thing will have to be cobbled together at best as it can be atm

asciilifeform: side q : for what does eulora even need crypto ? authentication - i can see, needs. but the movements of the players are theoretically public, neh?

mircea_popescu: i suppose that might work.

mircea_popescu: and i don't want to bake things that've not even been tested as software.

mircea_popescu: yeah but how't that work, i make a line speed fpga based encrypto/decryptor and use it as a router ?

mircea_popescu: what i got is what i got, and that's what the community in turn gets, and when it has a better idea -- implementation it is one comment out away.

mircea_popescu: i ~tried~ to have crypto.

asciilifeform: if hiring fortune teller - hire cheapest. but ftr i dun get how this beats not having crypto.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess we'll be having this problem demonstrated in practice. what can i do ?

mircea_popescu: since the client is intended to dissolve into competing community-driven implementations anyway, i don't expect to even be involved in weighing that maybe.

mircea_popescu: in any case the problem is that i'll have to design some kind of extender, can't do pure rsa throughout because of the sheer load. there's multiple messages/sec

mircea_popescu: well, players are problematic. they might download the game and wait for a few hours to get a key going. then again they might not. nobody's waiting for a week tho, i don't expect.

asciilifeform: i.e. per 4096-padding -bit payload

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ffa arithmetic stack is theoretically available. however until i have barrett reduction going, it's a ~30 second modular exponentiation ( i.e. per rsa op )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm currently looking at eulora rsa and I'm a bit foggy (I know and followed the bits posted in the logs but it's a long trail): what is available/ready to use atm?

asciilifeform: nao i'm curious - what was to litigate ? 'we sent you phreestuff for 8mo, now pay' 'buzz off' 'we sue' ?

mircea_popescu: hey, i know a certain petro plant that got free gas for about 8 months.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's put it this way, i noticed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-14#1714183 because i was going to pay them. ☝︎

asciilifeform: now to be fair i have nfi what the billing cycle was, even

a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 16:23 trinque: which incidentally is now out; I'll write it up shortly

trinque: btw, anyone needing to run a deed today, just PM it to me. I'll be working on moving that to the new box this afternoon.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, heh, thanks; ofc I have the keys otherwise - I was just getting trb on a new box and getting the keys for it via deedbot seemed most straightforward

trinque: which incidentally is now out; I'll write it up shortly ☟︎

trinque: datacenter got in my way when I was in the midst of setting up infrastructure for:

trinque: I had to migrate everything to a new box, possible there are things that still need a poke.

trinque: I'll take a look

mircea_popescu: "I suppose I could pull up my Bloomberg terminal if I wanted to do some research before making an investment decision, but I feel like that’s not in the spirit of this app." << A-HA! caught you elaineo !

elaineo: i do not

elaineo: yeah, i assumed that was the case

mircea_popescu: one problem with trilema is that some articles (esp the lifestyle sort, for isntance) end up with a heavy load of private jokes. these aren't materia obscura a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719021 but actual "0 chances someone i'm not fucking gets this". ☝︎

elaineo: i have trouble relating to the context

elaineo: i have trouble following the, ehm, dialogue posts. eg http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/

mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't realise azn immigrants are even allowed to be lazy

elaineo: oh, right, i do like that about trilema

elaineo: clickable-footnotes didn't occur to me until later on. even then, i'm kinda lazy.

mircea_popescu: i won't even ask what do you think makes me gather the dork is having a great time from that pic.

mircea_popescu: also why aren't your footnotes clickable ? like eg in https://elaineou.com/2014/11/11/silicon-valley-is-the-new-fannie-mae/ i wanna click on that 1.

elaineo: as a resident of the SF bay area, i appreciate all the VC-subsidized free shit ☟︎

mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want is to have to argue at idiots about music being too loud each week and actually be confronted with literall different idiots with identical idiocy in them

mircea_popescu: many ways to see how shitty it is. seriously, i want to change my fuckable 3years leases neighbour for a horde of unwashed 20something 2-week leasors ?

mircea_popescu: well, i'ma opt out of arguing waze without prejudice, because while it's basically an antieconomic game of masturbation, i'm too lazy to argue it.

elaineo: okay, i concede that uber, in its current state, is an agency of the usg and thus worse than state-owned public transport

mircea_popescu: i recall. was well received here too. somehow it's not money laudnering when the right idiots do it.

mircea_popescu: i expect not. so why do you expect other people/parents who don't even have enough sense to find #trilema could teach their kids anything, including how to make mayo ? leaving aside something as intricate as capitalism.

elaineo: i get stock options, but i don't think that makes me an investor. stock options are like S&H greenstamps, where you feel like you're getting something valuable for free but you're not

mircea_popescu: eh, i find it hard to believe you can live in bay area and not be an investor. don't they force-feed everyone stocks, options, etcetera as part of employment there ?

elaineo: i've never been an investor so i don't know what it takes to be successful at one. i suppose it starts with understanding supply, demand, transaction costs

elaineo: interesting... i'll check out one of his books

mircea_popescu: ah, too bad. i'd expect you'd like him, seems to me exactly in your style.

elaineo: oh, i dunno. just copied & pasted a sentence from what you said above.

mircea_popescu: i am looking. what am i expected to see ?

elaineo: yes, i am