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mircea_popescu: your first doesn't lead to your second, so which do i admit, the first or the sercond ?
asciilifeform: that it's... thinkable.
asciilifeform: and that's enough for the buggers
asciilifeform: not that this is actually possible, necessarily, but -thinkable-
asciilifeform: no more festering resentment, as in soviet times
asciilifeform: say, actually have every table and chair with microphone that sets off alarms if someone mutters a dissenting thought under his breath
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or they were trying to solve a different problem:
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "it doesn't work" ? this presumes an alt-universe in which there are alternatives, so things could not work. the world they inhabit knows no such thing, and so... of course it works.
mircea_popescu: just like the retarded 17yo who thinks she's a supermodel perceives peoiple walking down the street as "her audience", the redditard generation will perceive everything as sigint rules. because... that's the only thing they can do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is entirely a subjective problem.
asciilifeform: (and at any rate feels too much like work)
mircea_popescu: we got slutmint and yekutzky can go on writing about what gangrene said to liberty valance or w/e.
asciilifeform: thought it was more mundane mechanism, where you absolutely must have elint for totalitarian control of the english world, where stoolie culture was not already well developed
mircea_popescu: so you're stuck with slutmint. no matter what fucking happens, it's going to have been a story about how "we" definitely need more slutmint, and all the time and resources spent in the past on slutmint was a good idea.
mircea_popescu: he'd rather swallow a fistful of thumbtacks.
mircea_popescu: he'll have to fucking walk on streets and talk to people and non-aspie shit like that.
mircea_popescu: if you decide to fuck whomint, where the fuck is harry poter fanfic boy going to find money to pay for his groceries ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: The Express? ill-defined sources appear to want to tell a story about SIGINT succeeded rather then explain how it is that SIGINT failed (at least accor ding to the story getting told publicly).' << doh.
asciilifeform: biggest shared 'in joke' in the world
asciilifeform: most folks with any kind of brain at all, just ignored the slogans when off the clock
asciilifeform: the total intellectual load placed on chumps was considerably lighter
mircea_popescu: they were stuck to formulaics instead.
asciilifeform: (the soviets also didn't have microshit 'word', which helps illiterates to play-pretend by turning them into a kind of cyborg meat-assisted shannonizer)
mircea_popescu: "USG - Army Of One, And They're All Retarded"
mircea_popescu: reminds me of the damned soviets.
mircea_popescu: tbh, i don't know there exists material more intellectually objectionable than the shit pouring out of the usg.
asciilifeform: if somebody wants to dig up the warning from 1920s (mentioned briefly in the modern usg one) would be interesting to read.
mircea_popescu: it's you know... kinda important. seeing how they didn't title it "a particularly braindamaged misimplementation of ozone air purifying"
mircea_popescu: yes well, the epa idiocy was not finding the room, among very usefully distinctive verbiage like "Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone.", to specify this
asciilifeform: the linked thing was about machines that do precisely the latter
mircea_popescu: not to pump ozone into the atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is to treat air with ozone in an ozone trap.
asciilifeform: the linked crap has the basic idea, ozone works as well on the meat as on whatever you're fumigating against
mircea_popescu: the smelly parts are particularly susceptible, incidentally. both aromatics and sulphide types.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ordinary. makes them shorter.
mircea_popescu: i am certainly not taking any advice from these morons.
asciilifeform: unless 'reducer' was meant in the ordinary, rather than chemist's, sense
mircea_popescu: obviously, the reference is broken, because "We recently updated AIRNow.gov". and apparently they think this is how you say "we've recently brokenb airnow.gov"
mircea_popescu: "The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs (see - "Ozone and Your Health")."
mircea_popescu: dumbass epa. from the link :
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 20:32:25; jurov: ^ as per above, it does not affect organic molecules. just numbs the smell cells, I guess.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1043133 << wut ?! ozone is pretty much the number 1 reducer of organic matter. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but... them's the breaks.
mircea_popescu: and it'll make it fucking impossible fgor all the retarded "Women in internet" to make a living at their usual scams, marketing, pr, whatever.
mircea_popescu: will make "get big fast" fucking impossible to get revenue on, because all the customers you want are not going by marketing.
asciilifeform: it's rather like those kids in ru who make a hobby of collecting mementoes from old battlefields
mircea_popescu: sure. but as a matter of principle, the naive 1990s hippy "here's a thing i found, i am using it now" thing jumped the shark.
asciilifeform: as americans used to say 'good indians are in the cemetary'
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "not evil" us corps.
mircea_popescu: be it google or apple, it can fucking rot. everything will have to be reimplemented. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they have shat the stick, so to speak. no further usage of anything unless it's in the wot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that entire "oh, let's use someone else's stuff because it's stuff and why not" thing is dead.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 19:46:13; kakobrekla: heres a few of the more interesting pwm ones; http://shrani.si/f/3M/2d/4N2Jzpz2/profiles.png
mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160795 << lawl i like this guy.
mircea_popescu: adlai> i guess everything's clonable, << what's this, progress hour ?
asciilifeform: (there are edges a few atoms thick, in there)
adlai: i guess everything's clonable, so that's the wrong analogy to make; physical unclonable items would be used for authentication ('thing is as i remember it'), shared secrets are used for secure communication
asciilifeform: with any existing or foreseeable tech
asciilifeform: even if they'd much like to
asciilifeform: when i used word 'unclonable' - that's meant literally. as in, no one will produce a matching half of that broken glass
pete_dushenski: adlai the cool thing about everything nonphysical is... its nonphysicality ;)
asciilifeform: what's the unclonable part ?
adlai: the cool thing about nonphysical crypto is that you can generate unclonable objects together with a physically separated party
asciilifeform: except don't have to break it, but expose to light
asciilifeform: modern cryptowankers' parlance calls these 'physically unclonable function'
mircea_popescu: this, iirc, was the first use of glass
asciilifeform: incidentally, i love a good analogue 'stone-age' cryptomechanism. and not only for enciphering. consider the broken cup.
mircea_popescu: if you have a 5km pad with 1 letter per 1.1 cm on average, from 1 to 2, then no.
mircea_popescu: only if you assume the pad is short and fixed length
asciilifeform: for their time - if they worked it correctly - yes
asciilifeform: as adlai pointed out, there is ample info bounding the possible plaintexts available in the ciphertext
mircea_popescu: more like cracking rsa : for the techology they had at the time, absolute security.
mircea_popescu: "sure. i can crack it any way you want me to"
mircea_popescu: yes, but the problem becomes similar to "crack this otp"
asciilifeform: still crackable with a rubber cock that inflates while second variable is expansion of one end (use an aperture, like camera)
mircea_popescu: crpto, 3k years ago as today : if naively implemented, trivial. if not... well.... ahem.
mircea_popescu: all the ones i've seen were asymmetrical.
asciilifeform: not having been to ancient sparta in person
mircea_popescu: no, table length is turned.
asciilifeform: take a table leg, a length of photo film, and experiment
mircea_popescu: ever seen the item itself ?
asciilifeform: i doubt that they varied the taper
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu asciilifeform could also be variable taper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, that you need the volume to be defined by the same angle all around the center. ie, you need a baton that can be turned. whereas in practice they'd use unturned batons.
jurov: in 2009 there was only epsilon
asciilifeform: jurov: which is why the gedankenexperiment was specifically about epsilon
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if can vary taper between min and max of what opponent could have used - then yes
jurov: unless we can endlessly argue that monopoly is not optiomal outcome for its owner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if it's fixed taper.
jurov: if the "perfect bot" ends up with less then complete monopoly, then it's non-prefect by definition
asciilifeform: scytales... ecdsa << if this analogy is accurate, woe be unto ecdsa users. you can crack scyrale with a physical contrivance analogous to an engorging cock
mircea_popescu: (the thing you folks call stadium in english an' stadion in french :) )
asciilifeform: adlai: the information isn't just hard to attain, it doesn't exist << the bot is not for use! it's a theoretical construction, like carnot cycle
mircea_popescu: adlai you are making assumptions about the length of the parchment.
adlai: it leaks information about the message content, even if you don't get the full thing
adlai: the scytale cipher is equivalent to drawing a long table with six rows (adding columns as needed), and writing out the message to fill the column; then all the letters are jumbled. but the letters remain unchanged
adlai: pete_dushenski: let's say scytale diameter is em/2π, ie the message has six 'rows', and each sextet of letters on the wrapped paper corresponds to a column
mircea_popescu: adlai "packets" "data within", what is this, we make up words day ?
pete_dushenski: adlai being ignorant of the difference between rearranging packets and jumbling, can you expand ?