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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. They'll also wank over what kinds of traps. Gotta deal with USG and local conservation police... Gotta plan your havest anticipating how many of what kinds of critters are going to find their way into your traps
asciilifeform: lost good % of his moneys in this, in his last yrs
asciilifeform: shinohai: recall how edison was genuinely convinced that the fyootoor of furniture was... ferrocement
a111: Logged on 2019-01-16 15:53 asciilifeform: i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887580 "A man can sit in a bamboo house under a bamboo roof, on a bamboo chair at a bamboo table ...." ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sell enuff furs in ameristan, and some Official derp will appear and demand to know where you took'em..
BingoBoingo: The fur apparently has some marketable value, but like other things in empire... there is a mess of rules
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 18:36 asciilifeform: ( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )
asciilifeform: ( went in that dir on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886905 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: unrelatedly ( or maybe not?? ) , asciilifeform found that ch16 is turning into just about a miniature number theory schoolbook, will defo have to be trimmed ☟︎
asciilifeform: some 19th c american circus man even trained grizzly.
asciilifeform: hanbot: supposedly they can. i wouldn't undertake tho
hanbot: pity these can't be trained
asciilifeform: ( this in re : also mod6's woods! thread )
asciilifeform: recently i found that 1 of the trapped ones chewed most of the way through wooden '2x4' plank.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Might as well get some goats and take control of your local Cheesechain
hanbot: oh hey i missed that one. yet another reason for pet koala.
asciilifeform: y'know, where you pin the lucky customer to four stakes, and by next day bamboo grows out of him
BingoBoingo: Well swamp. Stilts/Pilings for light structures is all that should be in a swamp
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform lived in a block of flat surrounded by bamboo, and would see the shoots erry morning, growing straight from gravel. invariably thought of that old chinese punishment
hanbot: <asciilifeform> i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet. << i met a chick from the architecture dept at the nat'l uni here whose professed goal was to see all places with native bamboo build with it exclusively. possibly the spiders get her first, but otherwise, "coming soon"... ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I know few lawschool graduates working for firm. A bunch working for local prosecutor or public defender, occasional ventures into private practice. THe one who got a "firm" job left it to do a stint managing East Saint Louis City government.
asciilifeform: iirc the 'law schools' were actually sued, for making concrete claims of employability of graduate, and ~lost~, but somehow this was magicked away.
asciilifeform: typical, as i understand, path, for these people.
BingoBoingo: From what I've seen Law schools produce a lot of substitute teachers nowadays
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, those are just the LUCKY ones.
asciilifeform: where they start at the 50k/y (pre-tax!) rank.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i knew , most of said graduates nowadays , get to take their arse, and its 250k of debt, to work in bureaucracy. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: IIrc the lawyering profession in the US isn't employing law school graduates anymore because what's the point of having ambitious interns if they are afraid to fuck them
mircea_popescu: what's the idea, nobody ever fucked an ambitious intern, can't imagine what "law firms" are like ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc mircea_popescu posted the perl script that shits these at one pt
mircea_popescu: perhaps intuitively this is very much related (in the sense of descending from) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880251 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: In things that popped up in the spam hoppers: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pSMtK/?raw=true
asciilifeform: correct. and the opera replayed itself in miniature in the 'killermicro warz'
mircea_popescu: in the end, the result of war is a perverse "cheapest man wins".
mircea_popescu: except for the soviets, the chinese...
mircea_popescu: even moreso than dead german.
mircea_popescu: unbest for japan, they had very much sparta problem -- dead japanese not replaceable through usual process
asciilifeform: ~100% time
mircea_popescu: not so clear why best, killed operator half the time
mircea_popescu: specific example of why i say war is fun -- not only losses don't count, but their replenishment consists of fucking a buncha women, whether they want to or not.
asciilifeform: to take the extreme end of the stick : the best antitank weapon of whole war, was... japan's
asciilifeform: ( attributed to zhukov )
mircea_popescu: this is why people like engineering for war, too. it's a whole of a lot more fun to make a tank than a water boiler.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ought not to neglect the (explicit) driver of sov-style tech design : 'Солдат не жалеть, бабы еще нарожают!' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform war is specifically this arrangement where you don't count the losses. who's gonna fine the victor for his more expensive tanks in terms of "wildlife-variety" ?
mircea_popescu: no WONDER they couldn't make the shit fast enough.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, because the t-34 cost 18 units and provided 6.5 to 30 or so sovheads while tiger cost 77 units and provided .1 to 24 naziheads, we can resolve the matter : 18 for 195 vs 77 for 2.4
asciilifeform: in re the computational spaceheater wars -- the loss tally from 'overflowable arrays' is still a-runnin'.
asciilifeform: gotta count the losses as well as the gains tho.
asciilifeform: the q of 'which machine spiffier' aint even meaningful outside of this frame
mircea_popescu: THIS is what matters. the per capita productivity gain from capital investment.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the problem in terms of "1 tiger is said to have been match for 2-3 t-34" is already misstated. the point is : marginal war gain per german soldier from tiger was like .1, marginal war gain per soviet soldier from t-34 was like 6.5
asciilifeform: ( and mircea_popescu , seems to like his bmw )
asciilifeform: to this i'll say, germany -- lost war; but i still like my 'zeiss' binocular etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:44 mircea_popescu: ~if~ those people were smart enough to build the item you describe, the ~reasonable expectation~ is they'd have been smart enough to behave ~muchly variant~ from the ~actual way they behaved~ in fields much easier to observe.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:31 mircea_popescu: phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos.
mircea_popescu: this then illustrates a principal line that constructs my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881924 ; to go with other main http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882318 and i think there;s maybe 2 or 3 more and that's it. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: the especially lulzy aspect of the finale, is that germans themselves invented the faustpatrone , the very same item that makes tank such a limited worth item today
asciilifeform: ( and, recall, the match ended when germany ran out of petrol, rather than tank )
asciilifeform: 1 tiger is said to have been match for 2-3 34. problem for germans is that they brought 5,6 per.
asciilifeform: interestingly from the light of the 'tiger is a bolix' narrative, it was a quite close match despite the overengineer.
asciilifeform: so much so that in the ukr wars a couple were taken down from monuments, and made to run.
mircea_popescu: turns out the correct cut lay so close to "don't bother", russki not-even-replaceable-parts accidental constructs were closer than the finely zeiss'd german items
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff the lesson was obvious to... hannibal ( who had 'meat tank' )
asciilifeform: ( with mechanical object these tend to coincide )
mircea_popescu: of course, in fairness, there's some hidden lulz in there : turns out tank ~seems~ perfect assault weapon, but ~in fact~ is perfect infantry support weapon. which is why t-34 won over both kv and tiger ; and why the best use of tanks came from north africa, where there being no "armored positions to storm", tanks could be used correctly (if uncomprehendingly) by the germans too.
asciilifeform: there's a second half to that parable tho. which is that german tank/mg/various were not only expensive, but complex.
mircea_popescu: russkis just went "how about if that abandoned tachanka people take cover to shoot from behind was motorized"
asciilifeform: right, it's famous cautionary tale for engineer.
mircea_popescu: they made it too big, overengineered, "what if i was the last man and this was the last tank" otherwordly consideration.
asciilifeform: this is actually the traditional narrative re 'tiger'
asciilifeform: gilding the lily ?
mircea_popescu: germans did to platonic tank the wrong thing that you like doing.
mircea_popescu: i have an alternate theory, but im not sure you wanna hear it.
asciilifeform: !#s tigerfibel
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i still think of tank (in 'platonic' sense) as a vaguely germanic item, despite being brit invention and sov 'killer app'
mircea_popescu: "same reason" being that desert.
asciilifeform: ok in that sense yea
mircea_popescu: by same token, moon landing is not american, american is moon landing. a moon landing's just like a moon landing is, your lookup table consists of "who did that ?" not of "what'd this doing indicate". without preloaded history, you wouldn't know.
asciilifeform: but aside from that yes, knife and fork are same errywhere
asciilifeform: there's 'national colour' to certain designs, e.g. the israelis really like flat, squat tanks for some reason
mircea_popescu: hehe, you did ~the reverse~. you looked at item that looked like the item has to look and went "well, russki is like item does", not "item is like russki does"
asciilifeform: 'hey that's a btr80!'
asciilifeform: i did just this earlier in thread , neh
mircea_popescu: can you tell this by looking at it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the sense that drafted in moscow, built in petrozavodsk or wherever, maintained by ru conscripts under whip
mircea_popescu: in what sense was btr russian ? there's only so many ways you can do armored vehicle.
asciilifeform: ( is that still current..? )
asciilifeform: my fave is the 1 with kalash
mircea_popescu: in the sense of flying their colorful if meaningless flags.
mircea_popescu: well at least to do the maintenance.
asciilifeform: so in what sense were they african.
asciilifeform: machines ran for so long as foreign hands were on site to run'em, neh
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 13:07 asciilifeform: largely because of the 'don't clean the air filter' tale mircea_popescu told asciilifeform et al on the shore in buenos aires
mircea_popescu: machinery. like africa died in the 90s.
asciilifeform: well what else kind of death could it've been -- there wasn't a foreign invasion in '80s
mircea_popescu: it wasn't ~just~ leadership that gave up, let gorby in. i suspect it was just about everyone capitulating by 1985
mircea_popescu: (your http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885908 courtly comment, which is factually untrue -- ru 5-6x the headcount, sparked some investigation that turned up a buncha lulz like that. turns out mid 80s soviet was INCREDIBLY weak and complacent, for some fucking reason.) ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty typical; consider why ro and ddr 'z80' still found in ru fleamarkets