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mircea_popescu: the attempt might well illustrate why i meant above re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738293 (o oops, i stoled myself!) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf i had the idea cadr more of a common ancestor, to smbx too.
asciilifeform: hey if pyongyang or bucharest were running a lispm project and invited defectors, i suspect folx would've come
phf: well, folx in question plundered as much as they could from mit and carefully guarded whatever they themselves produce. i don't know about there not being "logical reason to publish"
asciilifeform: ( can't even say i have any outrage over this, there was no logical reason to publish )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wish i knew ! sorta why i wanted the thing microscopied.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform ( and quite a few other folx, i suspect even earlier ) realized in ~2005 that it was eminently practical with modern silicon
asciilifeform: item grew as the iron became available ( i do not even say 'affordable' , thing was a 'cost no object' design, like aston-martin )
mircea_popescu: i suspect.
mircea_popescu: now suppose i want to read some of this memory. what happens is that the controller reads A WHOLE LINE, and then selects from it the bit i wanted and spits it out.
asciilifeform: so you can readily buy, e.g., 16x1 i.e. 65536 bits of ram, addressable 1 bit at a time
asciilifeform: i have noted in the past that it is possible to have, e.g., wider regs but fewer of'em
mircea_popescu: no, i am asking why exactly is one item unrelated to another item married to it.
mircea_popescu: since we're doing this, here's a fundamental point i don't understand.
asciilifeform: i dun either
asciilifeform: ividual bought the assets and Kalman spent 4 years as a "captive consultant" for him. Since 2002, when he ran out of money, I've worked for Ab Initio (doing nothing with lisp except emacs hacks).'
mircea_popescu: i expect, yes.
mircea_popescu: i know a bunch of imbeciles who should speak a lot more hesitatingly than this guy. such as for instance ~everyone not-white. somehow, they don't, going all the way to like obama daring to even open his mouth in public.
asciilifeform: i'm missing the proper letter on this particular terminal anyway lol
asciilifeform: just as ceaucescu was content to 'steal' vlsi from the decaying west, i am perfectly content to steal the algos from bolix.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
phf: apeloyee: i have a friend who periodically attempts to write his own programming language, but without reading any documentation. when i ask him, hey, why not read lisp in small pieces or something, he just goes "well, i'm going to learn something just by trying", which i recently realized is straight up american education model. there's nothing that comes out of it though, he just keeps banging his head against solved problems!
asciilifeform: i dun normally recommend 'screen films' but there is simply no other way to properly summarize what bolix was.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: actually i do not particularly like it
phf: asciilifeform: i understand your point, but i'm not sure that the author in question made a choice by considering viable alternatives, rather than from not knowing
mircea_popescu: keeping sane memstructs 99% of the job i am pretty well persuaded.
asciilifeform: i want a functioning scriptron on, e.g., my dos box.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i ain't got a proper lispm, and neither does anybody else
mircea_popescu: the ro folklore imagines the emperor's court as a sort of larger peasant house. i have no doubt ceausescu imagined all others as a sort of "people from village i have known"
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the man had any sort of comprehension of the world outside the sheerest anachronism.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt he understood alecsandri as anything else. "a writer", yes, like a sort of newspaper man ++, a young mark twain, maybe talented, his paternal job being to "make available circumstances to development".
asciilifeform: i would like to see the minimal practical nonlisp loc, in such an animal
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 << i gotta add to this before it runs away : when making ~scriptlang~ ( rather than an actual lispm ) very different set of design tradeoffs might be acceptable, it they reduce complexity and in particular nonlisp LOC ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes i get this feeling like he's trying to discern if we're idiots.
asciilifeform: i did note this, you don't escape by gluing upper bits to equal 1
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
asciilifeform: nah, in the sense where neither i nor anybody else can distinguish hash(fg output) from hash(we fuck pigs) , without knowing the answer ahead of time
asciilifeform: (i.e. such that there is ~nothing~ that can be said in advance re what kind of prime will be chosen)
mircea_popescu: i can'\t come up with a worse one on the spot.
apeloyee: I didn't claim prime constructer, just an improved method to generate candidates for miller-rabin
asciilifeform: ( nothing to stop you from imposing other types of hash in between, incidentally . as i did in the pubexp example )
asciilifeform: i don't want ~an~ n-bit prime, i want THE n-bit prime corresponding to arbitrary n-bit input I.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: sorta why i suggested making pub-exp nextprime(keccak(commentstring)). satisfies the basic req of e being 1) long 2) nonstandardized
mircea_popescu: and i just appointed a new crown provider of chocolate. you should see this thing, so endearingly evidently hand-made copy of "how a chocolate looks" when hershey makes it...
mircea_popescu: so your model is, i have your pubkey, and encounter an item signed by that N, with a specific e that's included in the signed text ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apeloyee was extending the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734664 argument, as i understand ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dang i said pubexp i meant pubkey.
apeloyee: I thought you said modulus _is_ the identity, and here I presume the modulus is known
mircea_popescu: but a signature signed by a pubexp i didn't have PRIOR to the receiving of the signature is definitionally worthless.
asciilifeform: not if i have '9000' entry points to my gossip net, each of which rejects malformed rsa packets in O(1) at line speed
apeloyee: I don't see how you can extend to this case
phf: for example your Symbol_EqualP should just be a pointer comparison, rather than string comparison. (the whole point of a ~symbol~ over a string is that it's interned, i.e. same sequence of characters always map to the identical Symbol object)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level) ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 16:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I asked him for the "how do we get a corporation fast" answer. His answer is off the shelf. This isn't the first time I've heard "bank reference" being bandied aboutwith respect to opening a corporate account.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737789 <<< needed the same when opening a bank account in .mu, reference letter didn't need any particular judgement about whether i'd be able to meet a financial committment, but just something along the lines of "had bizns with this gentleman for X years, didn't leave with unpaid debts, isn't a fucking gypsy" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and he has the numbers : right here, where we happen to be, i ~know the name of the local lord~, and his numbers : 600 to 2209, he says. and what is teh retort ?
mircea_popescu: im totally finding this, motherfucker, im sure i saved copies on trilema somehwere PRECISELY for this conversation
mircea_popescu: i read piles of ceausescu transcripts, they're all exactly nowhere. 1968 meeting with the writer's union ? really, NOT EVEN THAT ? 1965 may 19th "who wants a seat in helicopter" one ? nope ?
asciilifeform: i found last yr, somewhat surprisingly, that the works of stalin are not sitting in plain txt anywhere
mircea_popescu: yes i select my whores. but once i selected what may be promises, i humiliate her, i don't fucking kill her.
asciilifeform: i was thinking of the 'i hereby order mr.pantsuit caught and fed some radium' instances.
asciilifeform: i'd enjoy eating. once i get past '5th grade' level of rotaku.
mircea_popescu: of particular interest to you might be causescu's self-concept, especially items such as "a critica" (to critique). i dunno how many of his own words you've read, but the man had a very interesting (on the grounds of its incredible low level form that maintained reasonable function) husserl approach to post-hegelian dialectics.
asciilifeform: i regret to report that even after 25yr of usaschwitz it still makesnosense.
mircea_popescu: i understand how it worked ; it however made no sense. diff point.
mircea_popescu: so then, elder brother saying "half of it made no sense" very != archeologist saying "i don't understand how half of this shit even worked"
mircea_popescu: this is not similar, i was there for ceausescu not for iliescu lol
mircea_popescu: i was there, dun need archeologists.
asciilifeform: hey i'm all for the regime right nao!111
mircea_popescu: anyway, if he HAD a continuator, like the chinese managed to continue xiaoping, i have little doubt i'd be all for the regime, decked in the usual "youngest general in the signals" regalia and we'd be holding this convo across the berlin wall.
asciilifeform: i.e. for all i know shoemaker & co were about to start making ivories
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun have anything against the 'octeon' per se ironwise. just be sure to build own os for it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I asked him for the "how do we get a corporation fast" answer. His answer is off the shelf. This isn't the first time I've heard "bank reference" being bandied aboutwith respect to opening a corporate account. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, I'll tell this lawyer being auditioned. I'll also ask him if he can do BROU instead of fucking Santander.
mircea_popescu: (to ruin many "westerners" hopes and delusions of self relevancy : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737754 means that no, paris '68 is NOT necessarily more than the original later copied by obama-socialism under heading of "orange revolutions". "oh, you mean pacepa's paris v2.0 ? I SEE!.") ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno... at some point in the 80s the whole eastern front (arafat, gaddafi, ceausescu) had multi-mn bounties on his head. if he survived that...
asciilifeform: ( in his place i wouldn't )
asciilifeform: i'd expect he dun take the trains tho.
asciilifeform: i'm not esp surprised re etruscans item
asciilifeform: i thought in ro cosmography england was an uninteresting backwater. or is that only mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i stopped keeping track in real time.
mircea_popescu: the meet in the middle etc thing i saw was far from instantaneous. maybe better technologies do exist, but anwyay
asciilifeform: gotta be continuous, or i could 'mahaha, i know mircea_popescu's q has 1024 ones!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737600 << oh, i see now what you were talking about. right5 you are, yes, i was focused on the edges not the middle. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: oh i thought that couldn't happen!
mircea_popescu: there's prolly some stuff on trilema too but too lazy to dig moar. shoulds suffice i guess.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 05:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm preparing popcorn for when they finally unearth the pedophilia issue. so far swimming in the brackish water of imaginary problems that are only problems ot the problemizers.
asciilifeform: supposing i had where to keep one, and weren't gearing up for escape
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 01:09 asciilifeform: the way i'd implement the whole shebang, is simply to reject both primes if the highest bit of pq is not 1 .
asciilifeform: i can't picture it appreciating to the point where i can spare 30k worth of it
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 11:46 diana_coman: that being said, I can't quite see it being any *worse* than this affair with fixed size AND fixed top bits
asciilifeform: i'ma half a mind to build that antenna , btw, and see how long before confiscated
asciilifeform: ok i misread a leading ...
mircea_popescu: sometimes i suspect you never do binary calculation at all asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: anyway, the same problem exists in the tail : if N is 000000001 at the end, i know BOTH p and q were 11111111 last 8 bit
mircea_popescu: i have a serious issue with bit/byte confusion trying to get myself out of it somehow.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: generally speaking, anything one could conceivably walk over, is unsafe - i.e. primes smaller than the number of femtoseconds in a millenium, if i had to give a heuristic
davout: mircea_popescu: i remembered mostly the "pedos as afraid of women who'll identify them as beta cux"