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asciilifeform: seems like ~50% of the various lit blindly copies the n - 2 thing , also
diana_coman: hm, not off the top of my head
asciilifeform: ( and in fact all that's req'd of witness is that it be coprime with n )
diana_coman: well yes; but I was struck by why this particular thing to latch on; perhaps "easiest" and the approved anti-whatever or something but anyways
asciilifeform: mostly unrelatedly -- while diana_coman is awake -- diana_coman can you think of why vanstone et al give n - 2 upper bound for m-r witness ? cuz by theorem, it's good through n - 1
diana_coman: certainly, but that was precisely what they kept "avoiding" at all costs; e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-213.0-213.61 and their strongly-dearly held idea that "contracts can't be broken" pretty much
asciilifeform: ( naggum also had a thing re 'for fucks sake clean up the kitchen' )
asciilifeform: folx wanking over hypothetical 'moar trustless' protocols etc. while happily snarfing up openssl , cpp, etc., are a peculiarly anglotardian sort of head-stander
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way.
asciilifeform: in re 'you may do that', what comes to mind is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706534 ☝︎
diana_coman: perhaps a combination of "I'd much rather NOT have this responsibility so passing it to some abstract group/network HAS to be great" and "all people are ~same and X is a crook therefore all people are crooks therefore can't trust someone"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: by same token, a perpetuum mobile is also 'better' engine, dun need to fuel it. the 1 problem is that where do you get one.
diana_coman: this "trustless" echoes some students' insistence that it's "better to not have to trust someone" - I couldn't quite get to the root of it
asciilifeform: beetcoin: consider, the 'bitcoin komyooniti' had full decade nao to remove the 'wtf do these cpp turds even DO in all possible boundary conditions' from the list of unknowns. and did they ?
beetcoin: asciilifeform, of course we have to trust that our CPU isn't backdoored unless we start our own fabrication facility. Bitcoin isn't perfectly trustless because of that, i'm just saying it should be the goal of governance
mircea_popescu: no problem, i suppose for as long as they keep feeding you, you'll keep vegetating in yourself.
beetcoin: what is the problem?
mircea_popescu: does deliberate, stubborn stupidity pay something, somewhere ? or is it just the internal "satisfaction" ?
beetcoin: you may do that
asciilifeform: how's this work ? built own comp, wrote own client... ?
beetcoin: Bitcoin having the property of trustlessness means that you may use it without trusting anyone
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to bite -- beetcoin , wtf is 'trustlessness' ?
beetcoin: but it's even clearer now that the purpose of governance is to optimize for trustlessness
beetcoin: i was never a big-blocker, idk if being perceived that way was the origin of our dispute in 2015
beetcoin: well, in 2017 we saw that the governance model was resistant to miners signalling for a doubling of max block weight
mircea_popescu: what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-10 21:16 beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-15 18:26 mircea_popescu: in the end the question comes down to, do you feel like a man, or do you feel like a woman ? just don't lie to me or lie to me prettily ?
asciilifeform: characteristically, even ~these~ used to be moar interesting, imho -- back when the breakage was at least sometimes subtle
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/#selection-139.48-139.184 which is to say "since i'm gonna get pinned down and have a parasite injected ~ANYWAY~, might as well blablablblabla" and so on.
asciilifeform: this here aint even 'feminine', closer to... prikokine
mircea_popescu: nevermind kids never being taught how to write a fucking legal document in school. how about they be taught HOW NOT TO BRING FEMININE ARGUMENTS.
asciilifeform: 'i have maffs phd, where do i go to maffs for moneys' 'hey we have this here opening... all you gotta do is shill for quantum-resistant philosopher's stones with boneh' 'where do i sign' etc
mircea_popescu: this guy is fucking terrible, where's this whole crop of new model wykham professors of logic spawn from anwyays ?
asciilifeform: or for that matter the current husk of djb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lotsa examples of these zombies, e.g.,
mircea_popescu: looking into the intro/outro derpitudes, it looks like the nobus-encryption afficionados in usg.blue that survived the clinton era are looking to build "scientific basis" for ulterior nonsense.
asciilifeform: i thought the notion being pushed is hilarious tho. 'who cares if yer litmus doesn't work on 561, it aint like you ever need to verify whether 561 is prime' etc
mircea_popescu: well, so now we know what to do should robert d mcleod aka robert.mcleod@umanitoba.ca show up.
mircea_popescu: and it even begins with the usual pantsuit signature, "as an X", huh.
mircea_popescu: is this published 2018 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it aint even wrong, as such. simply ignores fact that it'll always say 'prime' when eats a carmichael.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the abstract claim, "one random round of fermat provides same error probability as 32 rounds of m-r" is pretty striking.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'lasted just long enuff to show what freedom smelled like' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: 99.99x% of all those who interacted with the object online had never before perceived the functioning of these mechanisms to any degree. romania has ~0 civic education in the school system and so on. even the modicum of "teach dork to write a formal application" or w/e they used to do in home ec was abandoned.
mircea_popescu: anyway, all these were strictly unthinkables in the place and time.
mircea_popescu: anyway, item did what such items do, in the us too : it blew a hole in the party-that-the-guy-was-fronting's skirts, and he retired.
mircea_popescu: well what was he going to write me perfumed billets doux ?
mircea_popescu: so did they -- went in 2nd, right AFTER the sitting ro president's salutation and right above what they judged as the top economiasm.
asciilifeform: hm i must be thick.. what was the orig complaint about
mircea_popescu: but the orig piece is precisely that, i published the complaint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant re the orig stolen trilema piece
mircea_popescu: (i mean, i realise in the us they aren't, but w/e, nobody really gives a shit about retardistan)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't copyright legal proceedings, they're public.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'holy fuck, i thought we hit rock bottom but then heard a knock from below' lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mcleod/index.html << 'professor of engineering' tries to argue in favour of old-fashioned , carmichaelizable primality litmus ~instead~ of m-r, on acct of the 'rarity of carmichael #s' . ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the fraud complaint result in anyffin but the pictured lulgem?
mircea_popescu: it started like that, you realise. back in the early days of the confederacy, the us president couldn't on his own merit summon enough credit in europe to afford a meal at a decent restaurant. if the local dukes of dorset didn't invite them to their table, they'd eat poached eggs brought from home on the side of the road.
mircea_popescu: so now... let's go ban huawei top keks, make america alone again!
mircea_popescu: in any case, in 2011, as in 2001, as in 2021 i can say "academia romana keks" or http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/ whatever ; but they can't say "trilema.com", because holy shit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too inept dood, what. they can't do shit.
mircea_popescu: which puts us in the following amusing relation : the romanian academy perceived that not only i'm the competition... but have the upper hand.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these folx so stupid they dun even know how to mit-phuctor ??
mircea_popescu: ie, mostly tv stations perceived blogs as competition, but ~because they actually were~ competition, and winning, couldn't omit stealing their conent. and so the expression "found on the Internet" was invented to avoid saying "we suck, go read this-dood.com instead"
asciilifeform: this is almost as hilarious as the 'mathematical' conferences that happily ate perl-generated 'paper' etc
mircea_popescu: (romanian academy published a book in which it included the fraud complaint i issued against their at the time sitting head as "found on the Internet", an expression at the time famous in ro for being used by various derps)
asciilifeform: not seen, but iirc mircea_popescu actually mentioned this item elsewhere
asciilifeform tuned out of subj when realized that can't point to a distinguishing algo between gavin, hearn, wright, et al -- they're idempotent , like electron..
a111: Logged on 2019-01-24 15:19 BingoBoingo: Well, overnight alt-President invited the US Embassy garrison to remain over Maduro's expulsion order
mircea_popescu: seems to be unnamed, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889797 ☝︎
asciilifeform: tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc they already tried ~that~ ( gavin ? )
mircea_popescu: it'll be a pretty funny decade, ustards crowding retarddit to coordinate wikitardia articles about who's the "real" president of the most serene republic &c
asciilifeform: recall that huawei was usg.fatwa'd for konsoomer pnoje also ( presumably logic is, 'ohnoez, even tards no longer want to buy ipnoje with 0 buttons and $2k price -- wat do? let's try banning all competition' )
mircea_popescu: 1800s level capitol hill tech.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's Nancy Pantsuit's latest failure to engage Trump in the shutdown. Exactly the sum Trump wants to start walling, but restricted to more Boeing camera/drone/robodog wank in the tradition of Dubya
mircea_popescu: they got that world-famous logician anyways, VIRTUAL WALL
BingoBoingo: Well, not much since they gave up their wall technology
mircea_popescu: what's oxford need technology for anyway.
asciilifeform fixed the obv. mistakes
asciilifeform: ^ ftr, the added cost of the piecewise-defined (correct for all possible inputs of N and Witness) , vs. yesterday's 'naked' variant, is <0.001s (on std test iron.)
asciilifeform: mod6: plox to lemme know asap if you observe anyffin out of the ordinary on yer rk.
mod6: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo : Thanks!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other trilema filters, http://veritasteliberabit.com/
mircea_popescu: fucking argentina was full of that crap also.
BingoBoingo: Wank, but that picture is so good http://archive.is/hG8vN (Yes, pichis sleep sheltered against the major state bank)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-golden-fleece/ << Trilema -- The Golden Fleece
a111: Logged on 2019-01-24 15:22 mircea_popescu: there's no option here : if they stay, maduro arrests them, "hostage situation" doesn't really wash, us stuck spending next 10 years "negotiating" with a maduro it put in a better position than kim ever was.
mircea_popescu: in other mildly concerning news, i notice that there's a header-article relation developing. if there's naked girls ima pen a frisky article, if there's a serious doctoral mug ima pen a serios theoretic piece, yet i swear i have no idea at the onset (the box where i put things in dun load the header, for one). it's sheer coincidence, yet it seems to have held for the past 3 or 4 pieces!
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 your rk is successfully redisked and running, see instrs. in #p.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-23 02:10 asciilifeform: wonder what happened to subj d00d
mircea_popescu: thinking about it (since i have to, translation oblige), http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/ is probably the one claim to fame of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-23#1889542 item. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i shall trnaslate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever read http://trilema.com/2012/evolutia-onlinautului/ incidentally ? i suspect i should translate it, precisely explains (in a SEVEN year vintage piece) the problem with eg naggum's efforts, and other fundamental things.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Pence at all saw how well destablilizing the neighorhood works for Israel?
mircea_popescu: granted if they don't leave and maduro doesn't put them in ice, the situation's resolved the other way.
mircea_popescu: so they leave.
mircea_popescu: if they leave, derpy imaginary president has to explain it. experience shows he WILL, and the "followers" WILL swallow whatever he says.
mircea_popescu: there's no option here : if they stay, maduro arrests them, "hostage situation" doesn't really wash, us stuck spending next 10 years "negotiating" with a maduro it put in a better position than kim ever was. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 0 bombs fly roflmao, what, so there can be a case of us ambassador hung in bolivar square ?