asciilifeform: d to matter, he can be slandered with impunity, troo or not
asciilifeform: the lolturd at the heart of the lj piece, 'This is pure unadulterated slander. Lima is not in any way tainted. It is freshly written MIT code and I was never exposed to original ARM code. This statement is an outrageous lie, and it is amazing that anyone in the open source world would lie like that and expect to get away with it.' << somehow does not occur to the author, that he has a problem , if the 'colour of the bits' is permitte
asciilifeform: hey that's what the dope is for, neh, to put the remaining neurons to narcotic sleep
asciilifeform: the concern with usg.legality of throwing open 'nda' datashits, leaked src, etc. among the 'respects yer fleadom!11' folx, asciilifeform found 'zoologically' allergenic turn-off even 10yrs ago, barfed, long before encountering mircea_popescu et al
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presumably they labour under belief that they're in opposition to thebeast. ( rather than the reality of 'obrien' and 'can of coke on the left', 'blue usg', etc padded playrooms )
asciilifeform: ('to spite the conductor! i'll buy a ticket and.. WALK!11')
asciilifeform: the d00d throwing away his sores, is classical 'назло кондуктору: куплю билет пойду пешком!' analchild maculae☟︎
asciilifeform: sleep of reason begatting monsters, or how did it go.
asciilifeform: ( it was the root wank behind the others, i did not link to it because it is deeply opaque other than to dedicated entomologist )
asciilifeform: trinque: folx who smash their heads repeatedly against immovable (with the available tools) wall, begin to resemble one another, independently of precisely which wall is chosen
asciilifeform: imho 'study arcana of $system' is exactly that. yes, from narrowly tunnelled picture of efficacy -- 'the thing to do.' but from 'want to be man, not extension of machine' pov -- problem.
asciilifeform: recall the trilema piece re 'machinist is not professional, but an accessory to the machine' ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-26#1805748 << can't resist to come back to this one : imho some types of 'learning' are actually bad for health. ever wonder ~why~ the greybeards are incurable, and never show here ? doesn't seem to you that 20yrs polishing expertise in msexcel^H^H^H^Hpostgres might have something to do with it ?☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally , seems to me that this thread is rightfully part of the 40+ yr 'compilers vs hand asm' wars.
asciilifeform: how's it a lie ? i measured it, it dun write.
asciilifeform: phf in fact yielded up a pill that 1) makes it happen 2) doesn't write to disk
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu recognize a diff b/w e.g. 'you must learn grassman algebra to understand $system' and 'you must learn postgres 10.0 ...' ?
asciilifeform: and reasonable performance seems to require manual shift and 'formula 1' pro race driver
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the 'auto gearbox' in postgres, isn't worth much
asciilifeform: ( not as if i have one in my pocket! but seems as if mircea_popescu disagrees that it could be made, in principle ?? )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform also suspects that the very problem of 'kill sql' is ill-posed, and that sane replacement would be a much humbler and lower-level thing that actually exposes the mathematical data structures -- e.g. btree -- in a programmable way, with no attempt at 'intelligence' and ~iron~ correspondence b/w what one writes and what the machine does )
asciilifeform: and it lives on, and each new generation gets to suffer in it, because the only folx qualified to kill it are exactly those greybeards, who blew 20+ yrs of life on studying the voodoo incantations.
asciilifeform: phf: and yes also it's a 'job creation language', and imho undeservedly gets good reputation among thinking people ( e.g. mircea_popescu ) because it is the 'jobs for greybeards' type, rather than 'for 19yo shits' a la perl
asciilifeform: 'when you paint the knobs blue, it's o(n log n), but if you paint'em green, it's o(n!)' etc
asciilifeform: phf: aha. process is unpleasantly reminiscent of programming in, e.g., 'prolog'.
asciilifeform: this sounds great until it is time to 'unfind' a factor, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805504 or the prev case where the thing turned up a corner case in bernstein and found 300+ or wat was it spurious factors☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. 'for which moduli, are there known factors'
asciilifeform: the 'announce' is not a push process. when rss pg is loaded, and cache expired, it actually issues the query
asciilifeform: mod6: table-level locking. in postgres.
asciilifeform: the mega-optimization of the third rewrite, was to make the werker ( c proggy, number cruncher ) process ~never~ touch the moduli table. so that the latter could be continuously filled up by new inputs, and not lock
asciilifeform: deedbot gets rss turd that is a cached copy, generated asynchronously
asciilifeform: this was in phuctor v.2 (prev ver) , and was one of the things that made it bog-slow
asciilifeform: it is not cheap, the copy has to be updated continuously
asciilifeform: apparently linux disk caching is already pretty good.
asciilifeform: btw interestingly enuff, last night i upped the working memory for postgres to 64GB (from 128MB default), and the per-connection buffer to 2GB (from 2MB default) , and this resulted in 0 measurable change in performance.
asciilifeform: if i calculate the actual algorithmic cost from first principles and it is asymptotically less than what postgres gives -- postgres is braindamaged, and there is no court of appeal
asciilifeform: ( 'how perverse the imposed model' is imho not a purely subjective statement -- and goes back to the 'orthogonality' discussion; if , as in the earlier thread, in your system adding a 'not' gate suddenly turns a o(n log n) op into a o(n^2), this is perverse, as there cannot be any mathematical justification for it, it is purely a result of braindamaged programmers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is troo of ~all~ programming systems; only variation is in just how perverse the imposed model
asciilifeform: but yes, trinque , as phf demonstrated, with sufficient years of study of black magic, it is almost possible to use sql as if it were a sane tool created by sane people.
asciilifeform: phf: machine seems to be something quite like the pizarro rockchip board but with screen,kbd,battery
asciilifeform: unlike the chromenintendo i experimented on in 2013
asciilifeform: phf: whole spark of asciilifeform's interest in the '101' was that it has marvell wifi chip (on usb) and apparently nonaccelerated 2d worx with standard kernel
asciilifeform: ( there doesn't appear to be a self-eating compiler in'ere... )
asciilifeform: i could be wrong about this, did not dig in deeply
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805414 << mezzano seems -- since i last looked -- to be almost enuff to make an actual workstation os out of , if anybody bothered to get hold of a e.g. apu1 with sage snake and tailor it properly to the iron☝︎
