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mircea_popescu: how many hours did you spend building a bitcoin something ?
mircea_popescu: so since 2014 let's say, since you recall keyser, we could say you spent about 2k hours, or a full year's workhours, on this.
mircea_popescu: ok, but put out a figure. how many man hours does the concern take a year ?
mircea_popescu: there have been a lot of these pies in the sky to be concerned about to date, huh.
concernedscaling: Yes, I have read that a few times
shinohai: concernedscaling: Have you read http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ ?
concernedscaling: a cesspool of ideas and spam, just a tool for controlling people. The fighting about core vs bcash vs seg2x vs miners vs blahblah is entertaining. Sad that I need to take part to see how the market reacts
mircea_popescu: concernedscaling why not make yourself a pgp key and reg with deedbot at that ?
mircea_popescu: old will was right, "the world's a stage". what he omitted to point out is that the hall only goes a yard whereas the stage goes on for miles. out of the building, and into the mists.
mircea_popescu: yes, in the strictest of senses, the obscure masturbatory activities of desocialized youths "exist". but they do not socially exist, and for a very good reason : they're asocial to begin with.
concernedscaling: seems like a mutation is occurring
mircea_popescu: you're probably too young to remember max keiser, and his amusing "expertises" in bitcoin years ago ; nevertheless a good helping of http://trilema.com/2017/cezar-petrescu-file-dintrun-caiet-de-amintiri-mateiu-i-caragiale/#footnote_25_75738 woul;d probably help.
mircea_popescu: right. so this is also the problem here : you keep trying to make sense of the situation left after a division by 0.
concernedscaling: g it was a fork (it's like Litecoin in my mind, which "scales" as well). But even more concerning is Bitcoin with segwit, and my current BTC on this upgraded protocol. I have not seen much talk about these issues in here lately, is there a reason for this? It seems like most are underestimating the threat of this fake bcash and segwit.
mircea_popescu: sooo obama lifted all-cuba ban, to be enforced instead on a hotel-by-hotel basis ?
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734898 <<< housing looks like a nightmare there ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the lulzy tim swanson has a blog, on which he uses trilema notes, and derps insistently. i'm taking a bet nobody ever heard of it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> neither is a toyota's worth of orcland << Toyota's worth of orland in Thailand will lack any centrality
trinque: they had a great time in prohibition; where are they now?
asciilifeform: and imho a house you haven't usefully 'gentooed' is merely... a hotel. may as well live in actual hotel
asciilifeform: ( and even him i seem to recall cursing the air conditioner people in b-a )
asciilifeform: but granted 'tco' optimization is a very personal thing
asciilifeform: neither is a toyota's worth of orcland
trinque: as far as land ownership, not too sure how much I want to marry a piece of real estate anyway.
mircea_popescu: personally went across the whole thing in a day. quite doable. especially if going at night. locals are pretty nuts with the timings, crowd within the same hours, are apparently petrified of driving at night
ben_vulpes: i mean i'll drive a bit
ben_vulpes: you know i have objected to skinny dipping more and more of late on the grounds that i will get cold and grumpy within five minutes so why don't you just strip and get in and i'll make a fire up here and catcall
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where i'm from there's a layer of maybe 6 inches of warm water in the summer
ben_vulpes: i've lived near cold bodies of water my whole life, have no insulation, and i would like to get in warm water on a whim
asciilifeform: or for that matter , timis is same parallel as odessa but warmer, because in a 'kettle'
asciilifeform: if it ain't a seekrit, to where does ben_vulpes want to move ?
asciilifeform: ( ftr it ain't as if asciilifeform had a thing to move into yet. but may as well get all of the parallelizable balls rolling. )
asciilifeform: i'ma make a container, but prolly not 2 and defo not 3
mircea_popescu: alternatively, simply buy them passage in a container. though that more reasonable when going to kekistans, i guess
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe run a giveaway on your blog.
asciilifeform: kudos to phf for finding a fella who needed a lispm.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 17:29 asciilifeform: asciilifeform had a 1958 'britannica', made in usa, that he fished out of a dumpster as a boy. it was superb, as far as encyclopaedia goes, about on par with famous большая советская энциклопедия . but today it lives packed in a crate.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> we had a shit 90s << My fambly poor. Grew up with bullshit Funk & Wagnalls
asciilifeform: 2 dec alphas remain, plus a megatonne of other yet-uncatalogued .
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 00:46 asciilifeform: asciilifeform likewise will have a rail car's worth of goodies to liquidate
ben_vulpes: we had a shit 90s
ben_vulpes: a 58 britannica?!
asciilifeform: sorta like a ming vase in a steel coffin ( sized for a 5 y.o. )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform likewise will have a rail car's worth of goodies to liquidate ☟︎
ben_vulpes: in other news, vancouver washington elected a dead man to city council
asciilifeform: ( even, say, a pogo )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 00:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra would work fine as a vps off your vps machine im sure.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734789 << for that matter would work even better on a 'pcengines' or other small machine with GB nic + ssd . ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is not such a thing as a sane fiatolistan. but otoh it is difficult to do worse than usa.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra would work fine as a vps off your vps machine im sure. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if you put it in a bag -- bag.
BingoBoingo: Does airline treat this as a bag or a something else
asciilifeform: ( say, 1024byte (n,e) ; then 512byte signature , of a message, e.g., 'please call me pile_of_cement' )
asciilifeform: incidentally, quick experiment gives http://www.loper-os.org/pub/512_letter_a.png ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the two-diode crackpottery is definitely a favorite of mine
asciilifeform: lol i thought ben_vulpes wrote clojure proggies for a living
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: several java-"random" selections from a list of characters
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is basically a cognitive arsonist.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 18:03 asciilifeform: if you make a ~two~-diode reader, you can make it ignore 'unstraight' (from its pov) bars. and this opens you up to a method :
mircea_popescu: lorica segmentata. it's a thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:10 mircea_popescu: stopping smoking doesn't reduce cancer, because the sort of shameful shitsacks that GET cancer will get it, whether from smoking or not. if not from smoking -- they'll find a different stressor.
mircea_popescu: before opium caught on there was a brain there upon which opium will have caught on later on.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 00:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seed is a combo of site-produced TRNG entropy and player-set (with defaults if playher doesn't feel like setting). you can change your portion at any time.
asciilifeform: here's a possible idea : why not use mircea_popescu's poker .
asciilifeform: ( it can't be a function of the payload, or of the clock )
asciilifeform: we do as soon as asciilifeform parks a box !
mircea_popescu: it's a recurrent topic.
asciilifeform: iirc we had a similar thread re tx-id.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of wisdom we ended up baking into teh whole paste thing.
mircea_popescu: this is a right thing here.
asciilifeform: i even have a phriend whose postage addr barely fits in one...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a compromised key by definition, two people have the pq
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734650 << this is very much a koch-gpg problem in the vein of "lobbes warning people not to rely on the "control dials" as provided by koch-gpg, for being unreliable" and probably the most important example thereof. ☝︎
asciilifeform: returning to the exponent thing, seems that mircea_popescu is right, nothing particularly interesting can be done by distributing a pub with e' . ( other than 'believe me , his e is 3' and then messages ~to that pub~ are breakable if padding is broken. but that' sit . ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, n without e is not a complete pubkey, hence the e,N,comment standard. nevertheless, N is a sufficient index of the e,N,comment line that properly constitutes a pubkey.
mircea_popescu has made "varza calita" however you call it, cabbage carmelized with bacon, with CAYENNE paprika. holy shit this is a good idea, had to come to new world to discover.
asciilifeform: ditto if faux-asciilifeform sends trinque a pgpgram, 'my new key is...' -- it will verify.
trinque: what happens to the interactions with deedbot if a collision occurs?
asciilifeform: it's a fundamental untruth. because somewhere in phase space, waiting to be found, is 1 ( or 2, or 9000 ) collisions.
asciilifeform: if tomorrow i sign a message with my key ' asciilifeform fleanode nick was compromised 2ks ago, ignore what the idjit said' -- also stands. names are clothing.
trinque: everyone present knows what constitutes a full pubkey
asciilifeform: ( if tomorrow asciilifeform signs a message 'call me pile_of_cement nao plox' everyone will laugh, but his v-sigs will still stand )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734603 << names are cosmetic. q is re 'what is a complete pubkey' ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu may well be right incidentally, re the impossibility of somebody lying about the e in a key, doing any damage . but i cannot yet prove.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
asciilifeform finds that the l0gz do not currently contain a full description of rsa
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu know a proof that i cannot choose an alternate e that will result in a pubkey that 1) verifies some or all of the existing signatures made with his genuine e + 2) verifies another, which he did not produce ?
mircea_popescu: that's unrelated to this conversation. N is not a hash, it's the modulus.
mircea_popescu: they're just words denoting a certain pubkey.
asciilifeform: the use of a hash ( i.e. item guaranteed not to be 1:1 mapping ) to 'reference unambiguously' to something, is a fractionalreserveism.
asciilifeform: if e is free variable ( vs. '65537 4evah 4all' ) then having n is having half a pubkey.
mircea_popescu: in any case. there's no requirement that you be able to use the word "car" to go shopping in it ; and similarily there's no requirement that you be able to use a key's fingerprint to sign, or check signatures with it. the intention of the fingerprint is to permit you to reference a specific key unambiguously to a third party, such as when asking for it.
mircea_popescu: e always was a free variable.
asciilifeform: because e is a free variable ?
mircea_popescu: i had nfi you object to names as a matter of principle.
mircea_popescu: imo it's a schelling point found at considerable expense and of significant value
mircea_popescu: the fact that we're still using a what was it, 400 char line protocol has some bearing on what we call things.
mircea_popescu: but somehow commerce hasn't come at astandstill by the fact that you can call a folded sheet of paper as well as a 100`000 ton transport item "boat"
mircea_popescu: $0 usd gets you a "boat" in the sense you contemplated back at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1672940 ☝︎
asciilifeform: are we building a thousand year reich or not, lol