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asciilifeform: i suppose if mircea_popescu proclaims that it ain't, then it ain't , what can i say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is nonsense ; i even paid for you know, legal footwork if you recall.
asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform , he would actually prefer if mircea_popescu shot straight and said 'hell no i won't pay for no stinkin' software', rather than the peculiar ritual of having a contest, then to proclaim the submitters as a whole 'self-indulgent indolent' and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i can even see the logic, 'why would i give half a shit what rngolade to feed to my koch whitenertron'
asciilifeform: i find this interesting.
asciilifeform: i do however take exception to the 'indolence'.
asciilifeform: requires a very selective reading of the logs, to say that they are not. but i won't argue over mircea_popescu's contest, it was written in such a way that it oughta have been quite obvious that the bounty will not be paid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re "it's unfortunate that open ended terms, such as one's own life, and other things, end up quite closed termed in the end" is sound. yes it's quite unfortunate, and rather regrettable. nevertheless, it's how it goes ; if i knew better in feb 2016 i'd have said "this'll be open for a coupla years". as it happens, i didn't know any better in 2016.
asciilifeform: i suppose i oughtn't be surprised, that everyone answers then 'why not in a month'
asciilifeform: and i take exception to 'what i don't like about how the past looks'. looks entirely proper to me, and imho well-supported by the log material.
mircea_popescu: in general i expect it is made for ~any purpose. be it rsa, c-s, or yes, tetris.
mircea_popescu: or in better terms : the conversation could have been carried in 2016, in the terms of "here's what the future looks like, wut do" rather than end-of-2017 in the terms of "here's what i don't like about how the past looks".
asciilifeform: in the process of writing one on top of my mpi, i realized that the approach is unsound, and will eventually get people killed. so went straight to what became ffa.
mircea_popescu: i recall this now.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever saw it myself.
mircea_popescu: but the specific sequence is required, that's what communication is, that's how signalling works. "actually... i was going to do x for y, but can't, and won't before z". that's gotta be -- either in the comment section of the linked march 2016 report, or in the comment section of the linked contest, or i guess unideally here. but explicitly.
mircea_popescu: the important parts in order of importance : 1) distress call ("god damned it") ; 2. failure discussion "i can't do this c-s i was going to do for the cipher comp". these must be present as teh header.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529877 << timing can be 'ceilinged' and it solves problem. but i am still chewing on the problem of enemy being able to determine who is speaking to whom by deriving the public keys. (this is trivial with rsa, and i've been working on answering the q of whether is is also true for c-s)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-19 16:35 asciilifeform: to which i bolted a cramer-shoup thing, and started out thinking 'i'll reuse the elgamal piece, c-s is after all a variant of elgamal' but nooooo
mircea_popescu: what happened to "god damned it, i can't do this c-s i was going to do for the cipher comp because no ffa" ?
mircea_popescu: for some reason i was looking in 2016 era s.nsa reports
asciilifeform: i will stand and say, asciilifeform did exactly the Right Thing, prepared , with proper care wartime ersatz ( mpi ) for if ( as turned out to be the case ) proper item ( ffa ) takes years.
asciilifeform: i did.
mircea_popescu: i expect it'll be patched into mpi. which she's going to also sign to genesis. sorta like how i signed mp-wp, and unlike how you didn't genesis it, or did you ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- i see no impediment ; or can wait for diana_coman 's published item on her blog sign then if happy, or.
asciilifeform: i'm quite willing to sign the copy which i personally studied, even today
mircea_popescu: however. if i don't have a neck to squeeze when something blows up no work was in fact done. that's the writing/reading distinction, code is enacted by reading, in the speciffic v sense of the term.
asciilifeform: somehow the 'i dug up an algo, by apparently sane author, and determined that it runs in constant time' -- not work ?
asciilifeform: i'm quite willing to genesis it to attest to the origin of the item from my personal archive.
asciilifeform: i cannot attest to the strength ( afaik nobody can ) but can to the constanttimeitude, for instance.
mircea_popescu: it is actually possibru she's going to use a signed item by you ? though i dun recall this being mentioned
asciilifeform: i dun propose that this constitutes a 'winning contest entry'. but take exception to the 'no work.'
mircea_popescu: no but see, we use different terminology. i do not assign anything to "code written". the source of code, to my eyes, is he in the wot who has read it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's a whole train of "here's some efortless stuff" in there, if you've noticed, "x could be used [but i shall do no work]".
mircea_popescu: i put a comment in ; seared with hot irons, and hopefully alongside the indolence and self-indulgent idiocy of all days to come.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 15:19 mircea_popescu: in other items of republican interest : eulora is at a stage where we have to set down what we'll use for sensitive data encryption (such as for instance the privkey files). i don't particularily wish to use aes ; anyone wants to contribute to this emerging spec ?
davout: also in case BingoBoingo hasn't already left for the other hemisphere I wish him safe travel!
phf: yeah, i think that's a bug unrelated to moon language
mircea_popescu: i don't really think it's much of an issue altogether, except for the part where it fails to find a line for ascii search.
phf: i have some idea of how to fix this issue though. for example i can treat characters from certain unicode planes (anything higher than latin-1) as grep
phf: it's fundamentally two different approaches, bvulpes's thing relies on a lot of pre-written code that comes with postgresql, mine, for better or for worse, is custom written. the approach that postgresql uses is much more elaborate than what i'm doing. (for example they have explicit lexing phase both for search and for indexing, that takes care of language specific break up of sentences)
mircea_popescu: am i not following something ?
asciilifeform: https://i.redd.it/23stf4m6lx101.jpg << in other sad legions.
mircea_popescu: so i guess trilema joins thereby the sad legion of hos with tramp stamps.
mircea_popescu: the other problem i'm confronting is that i don't now remember what the chinese even meant.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'll investigate a bit the specific mechanics of failure in this case, but there are certain situations where unicode search doesn't necessarily work
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 16:18 mircea_popescu: in other news, today i learned a chinese! it goes like so : 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院
phf: it takes about 12 seconds to walk the log for all the messages containing "http" and then narrow it down with a somewhat hairy regex that i found somewhere some time ago
lobbes: As for processing urls 'going forward' I got a bot sitting in chan that snarfs urls as they come and keeps it in a 'to-be-processed' database. Still, having redundant data sources couldn't hurt. I would definitely be interested in url streams
lobbes: phf: Guess I should've inquired beforehand; would've saved myself some work with the historical walk :P
phf: i have some internal feeds that, for example, return messages in terms of "since=<id>", so by tracking what was the latest message id that you processed, you can have incremental processing
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 08:43 lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746081 << i can, by the way, give you (or anyone who wants it really) an ongoing feed of urls, which might be a bit saner, than trying to wget a bunch of html pages, and then attempt to reverse them ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and i suppose i could nitpick, 'USG.StrictlyAnyOtherCAImplicitlyTrustedByAllUSGbrowsers manages to lose a public key' oughta read 'private key' )
mircea_popescu: i'd do it myself but inane googlism.
asciilifeform: the original logic is that i want it to appear on every page of http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ .
mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone go "well... if i can keep on going with this tumour maybe it turns out it was actually useful, who knows".
mircea_popescu: this is like rhino saying "i'm not sure whether my horn is useful in general or not really". well... if it is cancer, you want it ablated asap.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect that in the general case , it isn't ; but don't specifically know )
mircea_popescu: he takes the sentence "i am rich here as i'd be anywhere ; and i can't buy anything for it here unlike anywhere else" and turns it into "i am rich here because usg made me rich ; and i can't buy anything here or anywhere else because non-usg". whether he verbalizes that "non-usg" as "the most serene republic" or "black people" or "islam" or "patriarchy" or what have you, it's still what it is.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-04#1746199 << because exactly as i say : he assigned universals ("the sun rises in the morning! BECAUSE STALIN!") to the socialist state ; and the very disasters caused by that socialist state to imaginary "everyone else everywhere else". guess what, it WASN'T the terrorists that came busting down the door. it was... the socialists he worked for. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that d00d who has 'real estate picassos worth maybe 11mn and loans outstanding worth 12' is walking out of the reich a little bit after washington's monument grows legs and goes.
mircea_popescu: but i think the message is pretty well out : "mr/mrs/miss manafort can't defend themselves. what are you srtill doing in the reich ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point i was perhaps understatedly making is that the LEGAL profession is now under attack from the red brigades. they fought the doctors in the court system for 30-40 years (whiole the idiot lawyers looked on, thinking they're special)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-04 17:41 mircea_popescu: im guessing this is how it's going from now on, "send your kids over, i'll fuck 'em while you perform"
asciilifeform: specifically female, i've never seen a male emit this particular
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i thought it was 24 hours since yest
mircea_popescu: you see it everywhere, from the supreme court all the way down to obscure daycare http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html (" He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable." ) sorta thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what they currently lack is the means to actually force anybody to use arsebook etc. but this as i understand is 'being worked on'
BingoBoingo: Ty, I just finished the check in for departure tomorrow
mircea_popescu: im guessing this is how it's going from now on, "send your kids over, i'll fuck 'em while you perform" ☟︎
asciilifeform: i've nfi, maybe they connected his nuts to 220v. or maybe not signed at all, signed for him.
mircea_popescu: i thought one was supposed to loathe details and conspiracy theories, at that.
asciilifeform: afaik this kind of software item hasn't really been done since the 1980s magazine days ( i.e. where reader is asked to 'write the program' 'with' the author , rather than 'here it is, run, like a pig is fed' )
mircea_popescu: ah i thought you had them all lined up
mircea_popescu: so... i guess it's comin'.
mod6: jurov: I personally haven't considered it. We'll get back to you on that.
jurov: mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?
lobbes: in archive news: through leveraging a bash script comb for urls appearing in teh logs on btcbase (hats off to phf for the impressive historic span), I was able to compile a list of ~142000 links dating back to August 2012. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Kinda why I waited to deed it. Gotta publish the statement with the open questions, let powers greater than myself comment.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo so why not have two rows line normal people. started at 1 0 then moved to 0 7842 then ended at 0 4990 << NSA and MG had not been notating fiatolade, so I assumed how to handle an open question. Will put together a leperolade line
asciilifeform: lol possibly i am mistaken actually;
danielpbarron: if it does i'll just relisted without the name
asciilifeform: i think this is 1st unit to be publicly sold for heathen dubloons, danielpbarron
asciilifeform: i'd naively imagine the name would get it kicked from heathen markets
asciilifeform: i'll admit to being curious who buys it, for what
danielpbarron: relatedly, i have a FG listed for auction on ebay at the moment.
mircea_popescu: well... if you feel like documenting it so i'm not the only one explaining how reddit is worth < than the slashdot's coupla mil, lock stock and barrel...
danielpbarron: i bought some reddit ad time for it but nothing ever came of it
mircea_popescu: i'd say add it, you know, "or you could buy a preinstalled laptop"
danielpbarron: not that i'm aware of
mircea_popescu: well, 1 is better than 0. it's not like there's 2 and i'm proposing one quit.
asciilifeform: recall article where mircea_popescu described how he buys machines ? i.e. from street retail, when possible, in cash, without advance warning re where
asciilifeform: oh i'm quite certain he'll send .
asciilifeform: incidentally i know of at least 1 item that i use that still not depython3ated -- the lattice ice fpga thing
mircea_popescu: i deeply care python 3 won't build without gcc 6 hurr.
asciilifeform: and yes 6 is being forced in via same mechanism as 5, i.e. they are methodically exterminating archives of source that built cleanly without 5, and replacing -- whenever possible, silently -- with new 'improved' .
mircea_popescu: i got a pile of various ones, actually.
mircea_popescu: yes, but... i still dun have a gcc 5 anywhere for instance.
mircea_popescu: though i wouldn't pay much for the upgradist's hide. recall http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/