asciilifeform: so how would mircea_popescu put on a theoretical footing, the transition from faberge to 'vertu phone' ?
asciilifeform: it has to do with the demise of craftsman as a class.
asciilifeform: observe where veblenism ended up going : 1) there exists a $mil phone 2) it consists of ipboje with diamonds glued on.
asciilifeform: the veblenism was strained pretty thin, to survive that one.
asciilifeform: the hilarious bit however is that the watch made 'of dirt and air' and for three cents, keeps better time and is ~indestructible
asciilifeform: entirely constructed item, and orthogonal to the physical product ( which does not even need to exist )
asciilifeform: veblenism has ~0 to do with actual quality.
asciilifeform: the 'half-mn' watch that costs 10bux to make, however , outcompeted the '5 year' one. ( likely because the original notion where clockmaker is used as an ad-hoc orcish 'proof of work', was ill-founded )
asciilifeform: ^ granted, this was possible because 0 standardized parts. 'cut until it fits'.
asciilifeform: ( harrison-style craftsmen were able to do things that today seen 'impossible', e.g. lathe work ~without slide~, i.e. with handheld cutter and 0 ruler )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was in fact just such a machinegun -- and engine -- in 1970s su
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lawnmower engine i suspect will have problems at altitude. tho i suppose it depends what you're doing.
asciilifeform: whereas for 'disposable' flying machines, that either explode, or make 1way journey ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-28#1075949 thread ) can use electric engines and zinc-air battery ( that dun need to carry oxidizer )☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: quasi-relatedly, asciilifeform has wondered why engines with favourable cost/mass/thrust that nevertheless aren't great sells in manned vehicles -- namely, peroxide -- haven't made an entrance in quadcopterism
asciilifeform: ave1: prolly the correct pill is to find where the http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dYf1v/?raw=true items are built, and to force correct precedence in the makefile ( i'd bet that currently they are listed on one line )
asciilifeform: ( my own ada items, fwiw, build quite fine under arbitrary gcc parallelism )
asciilifeform: this will be problematic when this becomes, say, a cuntoo port, where global makeflags will apply and e.g. mine are -j32
asciilifeform: to distinguish'em, is only really a productive work if it can be found that they e.g. respond to different ddt.
asciilifeform: well once time asciilifeform went to an entomology lab and there was a glass case with a coupla hundred indistinguishable, to asciilifeform's naked eye, mosquitoes . but for the pest control specialist, the exact species presumably -- matters.
asciilifeform: possibly oughta revive this name for'em
asciilifeform: but really, mircea_popescu , if i find , let's say, a set of breakable pubkeys that with reasonable certainty came from gpg 1.4.10, this will not be a more interesting find than debianized ssh set ?
asciilifeform: ( ~errybody already knows about the debianism. )
asciilifeform: different and yet-undiscovered orifice.
asciilifeform: but has not much in common with what you and i , use. and, more importantly, given 'piltdown man'-stitched-out-of-parts ~random selfsigs, ~anyone~ could have produced the mirrorolade. you can trivially create it for every pubkey in phuctor.
asciilifeform: and yes it is conceivable that the proggy that produced'em, was given name of 'gpg', somewhere, somehow.
asciilifeform: argument is that you gotta mutilate any and all of the extant gpgs pretty heavily to get'em to even eat 1.
asciilifeform: there is no known version of gpg that shits or even eats mirrorolade, it can only come out of a purpose-built mutilator, OR one of the various js pgptrons that dun check or produce selfsigs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the standard is ~could have come out of a pc pgptron, e.g. gpg~
asciilifeform: ( you can click the links, incidentally, and immediately learn this )
