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asciilifeform previously tried in the style of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892794 , but heathen's transformer windings tend to saturate and 'wtf, didja escape from nuthouse' and convo dun move no moar after that. ☝︎
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , the verisimilitude fella's parting words were approx 'but wtf IS tmsr, can you give me gist at least!'
lobbes_field: The difficulty to be able to give 'just the gist' is a good sign of something of substance
asciilifeform: who wants ~that~ success, can go across the street and buy by the bucketload
mircea_popescu: something like that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: verily, if you try an' bake an item that 'fits in ALL heads', end up with marx, christianity, etc
mircea_popescu: it also happens to be exactly the inverted image of success, culturally.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-22 18:25 BingoBoingo: To pantsuit all of #trilema has to read as vexual as vexual reads to us
lobbes_field: Anyways,  I generally agree that there exists the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-22#1804603 problem (though, I'd argue the experience is not exclusive to pantsuit, but for anyone brought up in the usual 'amatuer' environment of usgistan) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that you tried, good. but to go, oh, adlai g_l etcetera O NOES... it's a little much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't think poor success rates with clinically relevant levels of self absorbed morons is necessarily something you'd be too worried about.
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892833 << fwiw I've been (slowly) baking a "Why TMSR?" (In style of Mocky's 'why ada?') post that is to be aimed at a heathen audience. ☝︎
asciilifeform: hm lobbes_field didntcha rate the field nick earlier ? ougtha work on own steam >
asciilifeform: by the megabyte, even..
asciilifeform: was mostly comments tho, at least man knew how to write comments !111
asciilifeform: btw at one pt i tried to read the pile of strange gabriel_laddel left in his smoking crater. was not able to make sense.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, on the other lobe, if it does make a difference i will declare that i'm absolutely not wilfully persecuting alf descendants.
asciilifeform: i suppose they left dissectable corpses
mircea_popescu: "will mention it no sooner than it no longer makes any difference!"
mircea_popescu: for instance, you discovered, much to your own surprise, that in fact you were treating republican discussion with your noobs exact way parents were treating discussion of fucking.
asciilifeform: iirc all of mine died, like that chinese silkworm on moon.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's score is ~0 to date tho.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 17:10 asciilifeform: some folx seem to know how to grow n00bs that walk in and set to work right off ( iirc diana_coman had one ) but asciilifeform not achieved this wonder of yet
mircea_popescu: you know, when it comes to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892810 hanbot 's actually the champ so far. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the problem with this. though i must confess midly curious as to why it manages to occupy your time.
mircea_popescu: 2) none of those other cells like intestinal cillia, or muscle smooth and striated, or neuron, axon, whatever does anything measurable to enlarge the spleen. 3) thus therefore it can be concluded that properly speaking, the only things growing spleen are the spleen itself.
mircea_popescu: so, ultimately, the logic here goes thusly : 1) of all the parts of living animal, i choose spleen to be defined as "only relevant part", arbitrarily. because i really like spleens and i don't really understand anything besides them nor do i wish to or see why i should have to ;
asciilifeform: to take 1 instance, say, the 'penetrate china' problem.
asciilifeform: ( in selected cases, e.g. where bernstein prefers to smoke crack rather than showing up , can discern. but their song is sung , not much to add to'em )
asciilifeform: whether 'not grown', or 'not deigns to show face', cannot discern.
asciilifeform: can directly observe only that array of $problem remains open.
asciilifeform: or for that matter the direly needed biznisgenius.
asciilifeform: it's a concretization. dun have to be 'fix xyz', could be e.g. 'find how to grow working ic inside a metre^3 box' or any 1 of 9000 unsolveds.
mircea_popescu: where truffle is macro-expanded to "fixed my ffa" ?
asciilifeform: can still observe that nobody's yet afaik grown truffle 'in captivity' tho.
asciilifeform: 'control outcomes' is red herring, i dun even know how to 'control outcome' of potted tomato plant.
mircea_popescu: because we're still causes not purposes and all that. who the fuck gives a rat's ass about "what will be".
mircea_popescu: in short : the point here is that we control ~the process~ of education, not ~the outcomes~ of education. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dunthink i've the req'd yoga level of yet to make sense of this.
mircea_popescu: education is this process whereby people are sharpened, not changed. if girl has it in her to outwrite your ffa, she conceivably will, and if not, she will not. why's this something i'm to fret about ?
mircea_popescu: the implication is not re what we need, but re what they need.
asciilifeform: so, what's the implication, why do we even need working tech, why not sit around and smell own farts like aristotle & co ?
mircea_popescu: not that it's not a great achievement and hurray for ave1 ; but that, why's it to do with what we're talking about ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ave1 managed to deliver a 50% cut in cpu cost, nonetheless (fixed inlining).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and why do they have to ?
mircea_popescu says no such thing ; but rather the things he says.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also speaking of harem in the general case ( rather than strictly mircea_popescu in particular ), observation is narrowly 'no one yet reported that he trained a harem chix to work on mechanicals'. afaik.
mircea_popescu: and then b) why and wherefore is "work" defined in terms of "ffa improvements" ? thing's not even supposed to be ~improvable~.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu: rather a) harems are by their nature private, and consequently the ~outermost limit~ of your interaction with another's will be along the lines of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851696 discussion. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i still don't think so.
mircea_popescu: our problems currently flow around the strong rocks of "there's a bunch of engineers and 0.epsilon businessmen", and the solution to them eminently will not be in the vein you contemplate.
asciilifeform: so my summary was 100% on, 'harem is crystalline perfect, and who are you to even suggest to sully it with dirty work'.
mircea_popescu: except the situation is exactly reversed : it's not nicoleci that's expected to improve on ffa, it's you that's expected to improve on http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/#selection-489.0-501.257
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "the only surviving island of non-(engineeridiocy) is this here harem, and further, as part and parcel of my continued and systematic efforts to ensure failure, not only do i perceive this as a substantial lack of everyone else, but instead i'll propose that taking a sufficiently narrow view of the matter, it could almost be said the lacking parts don't even exist" ?
asciilifeform: and yes if/when nicoleci or new one etc sends in an optimization for ffa arithm, i'ma take it back.
asciilifeform: can't propose so far as to 'set goal', but will observe that the net # of mechanical moving parts currently fielded that came out of harem, is afaik 0.
mircea_popescu: educable as in positive delta over time, not educable as in, reaches ishtar gate before i get bored waiting.
mircea_popescu: why would you be the one to set other's goals like that ?
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for that of other folx.
asciilifeform: narrow sense of educable-as-in-ave1 , i.e. capable of contributing to asciilifeform's load of heavy-lifting in particular.
mircea_popescu: whether he ever ends up euler or not, 5yo child is math-educable, provided that every time his mother goes "oh, poor darling shouldn't have to" she gets a black eye.
mircea_popescu: are we talking here of "educable, as the process" or are we talking here of "educable, as to a certain goal" ?
asciilifeform: i aint about to try an' tell mircea_popescu how to use his trained meats. but will remain skeptical that any trainable in the sense asciilifeform contemplates, until see with own eyes, is all.
asciilifeform: we already iirc did the a:'so how many solved the ffa puzzlers' m : 'i wouldn't waste a precious trained gurl on such dirty works' thrd, dun have to replay.
mircea_popescu: once that's off the ground, as many as one third of the girlies are perfectly educable.
asciilifeform: if there's a seekrit reserve of'em somewhere, asciilifeform not found yet.
mircea_popescu: in no small part because of the misperception that education is something that'll bend to fit them
asciilifeform: educable folx seem to be pretty thin on the ground tho.
mircea_popescu: and a valid concern, at that, education's an important part of the function of oxford.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is true.
asciilifeform: i still dun see an obv 'entry point' for noob in log tho. 'no royal road.'
mircea_popescu: then again, 0 apparent awareness of the tmsr -> usg relationship is as fine a symptom as can be had, to the best of my knowledge.
mircea_popescu: you propose this is what happened or you just talkin' in teh general ?
asciilifeform: can't find what to dispute, tho will note that redditus-detector like any other detector oughta stay in calibration, if it's set off by gust of wind, it's not a detector at all
mircea_popescu: this is why even the whole castle thing ever exists, to decouple the "well, kid needs to be able to practice his restaurant eating skills sometime" with the obvious "if there's one single further kiddy squeal out chez maxim half the seats will empty up"
mircea_popescu: eventually you have to compare the marginal gain from "1 of maybe coupla thou noobs with working hands alive" with the marginal cost from "if i read one more redditline in the tmsr log ima tune it out".
mircea_popescu: THEN there's all the people who aren't my slaves, who STILL fucking read each line of this here log. also "doesn't take anything" ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892739 << this is no small matter ; i ~expect~ a number of my own slaves to read each and every fucking line of this here log. it "takes nothing" to read a line until you start multiplying the lines and the readers. but what choice do they have, right, they're my slaves, if i order them that's an end to the matter. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 21:04 mircea_popescu: spyked nice article! it might even end up the current linkpoint for the various http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889920 lost souls, "here, we know the future" item.
mircea_popescu: for lack of a better entry point i'll stick with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892214 ; unless someone wants to write a purpose-cut item ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ , since marked obsolete. i suspect state of the art is still 'read log for year and come back if grasped'
mircea_popescu: if you want to change anything, change the thing where you fail to mention to kids that there's such a thing as sex until well after they've either been undone by it or somehow, through no fault of your own, survived.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:13 mircea_popescu: much unlike naggum's mythical perl, doods sit around doing nothing all day with their reward circuitry so blownout, they literally fail to understand that no, "your message was too long" is an inacceptable reaction to the situation where "my phone is uselessly broken"
mircea_popescu: and then they don't, because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ still very much a thing, and slaveworld mindset very much still http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892453 and so on. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually i give'em a link to the log, where can read this & other likbez at leisure.
mircea_popescu: no. that this here is the republic, which is the all-sovereign, whereas the "united states government" is a tax dodging unrecognized group of social misfits, and so following.
asciilifeform: how to behave ? it aint codified as such anywhere afaik. read noob's www, assumed -- cultured.
mircea_popescu: did you mention teh matter at all in conversation ?
asciilifeform: some folx seem to know how to grow n00bs that walk in and set to work right off ( iirc diana_coman had one ) but asciilifeform not achieved this wonder of yet ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hey phf ben_vulpes and, i guess Framedragger : can i prevail upon you to have (just one) logotron recognize [url][anchor] syntax and render it as <a href=url>anchor</a> instead of the literal ?
mircea_popescu: the only thing*
mircea_popescu: people visit the senate as a museum all the time, even schoolkids manage it alright. but they do it ~knowing where they are~, it seems to me you do an orc grave disservice if you don't even mention a thing such a town may exist, then take him there. obviously naive extension of whatever shiteating passes in his wilderness will get him thrown out.
mircea_popescu: one before they even understand this thing at all is.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 13:54 asciilifeform: also will ask mircea_popescu to expand re when, exactly, one oughta invite folx from castle.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892747 << this is a proper question, if not one easy to answer. i believe spyked is correct in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-55.152-55.393 ; i will not go as far as to say "noob must only be invited at senate once he, like bunyan's hero, understands this is literally the only that does or could matter". nevertheless, it is evidently premature to invite any ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'Without an available fix it seems irresponsible to disclose such a vulnerability ...' etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'thought we hit bottom but then heard knock from below' in heathendom, https://archive.is/lFXpf << a chowdhra type Officially calls for nobus to be made Official doctrine
asciilifeform: ( haven't grown any to pupae yet, but whoknows, possibly 1 day )