asciilifeform: rather than plot for 20 yrs to club a guard and steal rifle and etc.
asciilifeform: system would prefer that the ballsy folx march into machinegun fire asap, yes.
asciilifeform: had nice touch where he gets into it through seekrit passage in the adjacent train station ( i go to that train station quite often, and it was an extra lulzgem )
asciilifeform: i saw a film exactly like this once; utter rubbish, where some 'historian' d00d steals 'declaration of independence' from museum
asciilifeform: does she get away with it by flying away in ufo, blasting death ray ?
asciilifeform: where there ~is~ the ideological drive.
asciilifeform: they can steal it any number of times, but they have no ideological drive to ~keep~ it, so it ends up in the usg safe next to the aes weak key formula and the nuke src. all over again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do the fearless zeks play in ?
asciilifeform: so , granted bitcoin corrupts, like mercury reacts with aluminum, but observe that despite mercury being plentiful on planet3, aluminum airplanes still fly
asciilifeform: apparently not, if they aren't openly in the wot and standing up to lordship ?
asciilifeform: granted in theory ~eventually~ it will settle into some ground state, perhaps in mircea_popescu's pocket , but this doesn't fix the problem of fiatola interface, necessarily.
asciilifeform: in re 'silk road' food chain, the coin can in fact be stolen from usg agents, in turn by usg.thieves, in turn by usg agents again, in turn by miami-dreaming latvians, and again by usg, and so forth, infinitely many times. none of these get visibly 'corrupted' , they continue to dream of miami afaik.
asciilifeform: 'vhs america' did have e.g. su 'residents' who went native.
asciilifeform: nao granted this is in post-2001 usa, vs 'vhs'
asciilifeform: whereas in reality, osama et al can attend oxbridge, fuck 9000 choice aboriginals, and come back to goatfuckistan to make peroxide of acetone in cave
asciilifeform: the mega-problem is, that it remains to be seen... whether bitcoin actually works. ( consider, in principle, errybody, from the dc folx, to the cheese sellers at the sunday market, ought to be cutting one another's throats for a chance to get some of that sweet coin sent their way. BUT in actuality, they do not! why not ? )
asciilifeform: ( i.e. at certain point, all of the working brains in the enemy camp, 'sell out to bitcoin', and what remains is buncha weirdos shouting orders impotently like the old man ceausescu )
asciilifeform: now that we reviewed the usg-plankton-thieves triangle , possibly mircea_popescu grasps why asciilifeform disagrees with the moral angle of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816611 : yes , it is problem to accept 'dirty' fiatola, but not from ethical angle, but because we don't have the tank divisions and orbital thermonuke droppers to properly counter a fully-rousted enemy anthill, yet☝︎
asciilifeform: there was ample warning, starting from the orig american prohibitionists.
asciilifeform: ( observe, abramovich remains in his miami, london, despite (supposedly) upcoming dekulakization. because life 'unthinkable' otherwise. )
asciilifeform: to a man, they never 'checked out mentally' from usg reich, they still dream, in the end somehow, of miami.
asciilifeform: this also calls to mind the several previous threads re 'why do carders/smugglers/etc still use paypalade and convert bitcoin to usd whenever they get any' etc.
asciilifeform: so it follows that it must be balanced.
asciilifeform: i must agree, because if the system is disequilibriated somewhere, it is to small enuff amount that i cannot see , with naked eye, where.
asciilifeform: ( see in particular today's qntra, incidentally )
asciilifeform: well yes, they play the role of lions and rhinos in a kind of safari park for usg 'threeletters'
asciilifeform: the 'i'd rather make 50k as a free man in sunlight, even if running from police, than 500k under fluorescent lights writing usg reports'
asciilifeform: they aren't (all) terrible at maths. simply there is a hidden term in this equation.
asciilifeform: so no, there is not a 'same money', it absolutely is not 'same money' if it has to be earned in a cube and wearing an id badge '9 to 5'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's complicated, for them; all of the examples i've witnessed up close, were simply running from cube hell, and absolutely did not give half a shit at what, exact , cost; and i can't really blame;em
asciilifeform: as for the zooplankton, i have yet to meet one who appears to grasp the implications of no-carding world ( 'and when my money's gone, it's gone, and i can't borrow moar, time to sell daughters ?! holyfuq' ) but watch their faces when shown bitcoin, where this is the order of things
asciilifeform: this applies to all 3 points in the triangle. i do not know whether the cc thieves and dope peddlers understand that without usg's maintenance of the upside-down world, they would work just as hard and for just as little, as used tyre sellers and train station pickpockets. ( i suspect that the smarter ones -- do ; but nfi )
asciilifeform: this was implicit in the 'anarchotyranny' label, which i stole from somebody or other (moldbug?) where it was described how a predator-prey equilibrium is carefully maintained by usg
asciilifeform: the 'they hire somebody to make proper rsa card', it's a 'fried ice' hypothetical, tho. because the cc 'fraud' is a required element of maintaining the konsoomer 'purchasing' circulation the system needs in order to live.
asciilifeform: this case is quite typical tho, the reich prosecutes 'death ray plots' while allah happily snackbars ~biweekly in londonabad/al-paris/etc , not much new there
asciilifeform: asciilifeform suspects that, according to even 'well-read' plankton , mircea_popescu obviously cannot exist , as the last mircea_popescu was ghaddafi and the latter got bayonet up his starfish, erryoneknows
asciilifeform: i suspect that the reality of the matter , in re the above , is beyond the squirrel brains of the gurlz, they are not equipped to process it and reject as ufology
asciilifeform doesn't pretend to have a tight grip on the problem, relying as he does on 'astronomical' observations through a thick fog of crapola
asciilifeform: there is also the variant where they knew the # , but not yet settled in agreement on precisely how to cook the books
asciilifeform: why should they count pigs? i suppose the thought was, let washington/nato count'em, they bought'em
asciilifeform: i mean, we do have these in usa, can call'em 'budget model' criminals, they have money for the toy pistol with which to hold up bank, but not for the getaway car; for the 'carding' dataset but not for the ticket to iran; etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: executes contracts with blunt weapons ?
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's orig. argument, summarized : if bank cards used actual nonleaking rsa, and signed individual transactions under direct physical control of user -- there would be no 'carding'. qed. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fat qntra upcoming, dun go to bed
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik every known fiatola isp, incl. in ru and cn, (formally) forbid warez . whether this adds up to an actual problem , is another matter.
