asciilifeform: mats: so possibly you have the 'seven-to-a-room' thing covered.

asciilifeform: mats: anybody waiting for you there ?

asciilifeform: (and before you say 'i am willing to live like mexican', note that for ~you personally~ it will cost 50x what it does for the native-born orc. because he has the extended family, willing to live seven-to-a-room with him without murder, and you don't.)

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165804 << problem is never 'where to flee,' but 'where to flee where can afford to live like gentleman.' everybody here can afford a plane ticket. ☝︎

asciilifeform: so soon the gears stop.

asciilifeform: (yes, it no longer amortizes, because today's crop of twerps' mere ~eating~ is now -ev.)

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165778 << find us another way to amortize the cost of making so much as a z80 ☝︎

asciilifeform: they will get him to early grave.

asciilifeform: srsly, hitler oughta fire these fools

asciilifeform: (or where to point the grenade launcher)

asciilifeform: 'There is a discussion on FAA meetings about encrypting the ADS-B signal. By angering the authorities, we will only speed up this process.' << holy fuck the idiocy. i have idea! let's give usg brass cars without license plates ! that way no one will ~ever~ know where they are.

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: going by what is publicly known, probably something like 1 camera-shy rich fella to 10 cia 'renditions'

asciilifeform: because they will not deliver so much as the means for making a usable steel fork. and you can take this to the bank.

asciilifeform: you would have us believe that the idiot cult of technowankerous 'homework doers' will deliver salvation re: the 'ic in your kitchen' problem. and i will say that this is not a harmless misconception.

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: my original objection is to: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165955 ☝︎

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: my observation was that there is a curiously large population of people who studiously avoid so much as dipping a toe into the prototype waters.

asciilifeform: (last i saw, the 'cad' did not even do anything so basic as calculating bond strain energies. because atoms == legos, apparently.)

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: do you know kanzure ? the two of you would get on very well, i think. he's another fella who likes 'doing homework.' wrote a 'nano cad', even. (because surely - somehow - this puts us closer to actually rearranging atoms with bare hands, right? or so goes the theory)

asciilifeform: (does 'mean free path' mean anything to you ? or slept in 4th grade ?) ☟︎

asciilifeform: i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump. ☟︎

asciilifeform: if you have other sources, with experiments (done on something other than $maxint machinery, surplus or not) plz link...

asciilifeform: most - known even then.

asciilifeform: many ways to pump a vacuum.

asciilifeform: and often there are interesting hidden costs. for instance, i am somewhat limited in what surplus junk i can use on account of lacking 3-phase mains power ☟︎

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: i'm an aficionado of university surplus junk myself. and will point out that, even without having to pay for shipping (absolute killer, but luckily i live near one) the actual price you pay, once you factor in the cost of (sometimes unobtainable) spare parts to replace broken/missing items - is often not far from 'car'

asciilifeform: (i am assuming that you know what kind of pump - multiple pumps, in practice - is involved)

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: would be neat. where do i go to get a 10^-4-torr vacuum pump for less than the cost of new car ?

asciilifeform: but so far all i see is... the apparatus described in linked www.

asciilifeform: would love to know how to do this on a 'jungle' budget

asciilifeform: i would like, for example, to fabricate simple circuits in copper (a la pcb) with electron beam

asciilifeform: link to an item you, or colleagues, crafted with electron beam?

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: where is the evidence of any actual physical experiment by these folks ?

asciilifeform: this is precisely the kind of animal mircea_popescu wrote about - idiot 'millenials' who have never so much as carved a chess set with own hands, failing to distinguish elaborate 3d drawings from actual tech

asciilifeform: also, very amusingly, there are a total of 3 sentences casually referring to xray shielding.

asciilifeform: i notice that all of the illustrations on http://reprap.org/wiki/MetalicaRap are 3d renderings ...

asciilifeform: how long it took, per mm of metal deposited ? what kind of vacuum, and with what did you pump it?

asciilifeform: *sputtering, rather than sintering

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: have you ever witnessed the operation and internals of even a very elementary 'nano' instrument such as electron microscope ?

asciilifeform: but please set up camera for 'darwin tube' first

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: meanwhile please go and 'nanofabricate atom by atom'... one mosfet. (it's been done! so what if you need a 'gigabuck' of gear to crap out an item which is worth a nanopenny...) then get back to us ☟︎

asciilifeform: occasional touch with reality is good for you

asciilifeform: midnightmagic: take a little less lsd

asciilifeform: i will not say with confidence that no one will ~ever~ make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen or in the jungle. but i WILL say with confidence that no one will make meaningful semiconductors in their kitchen ~using things that have been made in today's kitchens.~

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's point about the 'excluded middle' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-06-2015#1163457 << thread ) is valid, but it simply means that we are falling from skyscraper and trying to invent parachute on our way down. ☝︎

asciilifeform: given as presently i can't even afford to not have a day job which eats 98% of time & energy ☟︎

asciilifeform: jurov: i can 'decide' all i want' 'spirit is willing but flesh is weak' in this case. unless you'd like to contribute $100B for a fab and an army

asciilifeform: there would be no valid reason for any two units, regardless of ~when~ or ~where~ made, to be distinct in any way other than size and density.

asciilifeform: thing could even have a clear lid, like the old uv-erasable eeproms, for inspection with optical microscope (the fabric would be visibly homogeneous)

asciilifeform: a readily-available ~true~ fpga would be the greatest political advance in a century of electronic crud.

asciilifeform: because you MUST meet the dram refresh timings - or bits fall on the floor.

asciilifeform: sdram is the absolute worst case, because the difference between 'acceptable performance' and 'works at all, for any purpose' is slim

asciilifeform: because go and try writing own controller with anything like acceptable performance.

asciilifeform: the entire thing is cynically deliberate. notice how, e.g., xilinx boards, come with ethernet jack and magnetics? well, you can't actually ~use~ the ethernet without paying a per-unit license fee to the bastards

asciilifeform: but in reality, you are stuck using all kinds of pre-baked pieces (adders, shifters, ddr outputs, and the routing fabric per se) baked in there by vendor

asciilifeform: it gives the impression that you can actually turn any valid logical circuit into an imitation of something like slow 1980s silicon

asciilifeform: this, again, is only possible if you know the actual physical fabric (only xilix does)

asciilifeform: on top of this, all of the critical paths in the circuit must have approximately same propagation delay - or the thing ~won't work at all~

asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric; ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-06-2015#1165915 << key detail: 'IP-Core : MIG V:3.6.1'. that's 'memory interface generator', xilinx's gui turd. it shits out code which is a mere wrapper on a closed-source gigantic steaming pile of shit. and the output is unique to a particular model and subtype of chip. ☝︎