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a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
esthlos: a 6502 sounds like a good project
asciilifeform: and, observe, a non-vonneumann comp.
asciilifeform: fg per se is , i will argue , ~also~ a comp, it has a few bits of state, accepts input , of a kind, over time, computes a certain function, emits output.
asciilifeform: ( granted fg itself it is not a general-purpose comp. but the fpga substrate -- is. observe that it is not programmed by being given a series of sequentially-executed instructions. )
asciilifeform: nao here http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis/tree/fg.v is an example of a non-vonneumann computer.
asciilifeform: then moves to a new instruction, by incrementing an instruction-pointer , and does it again. and again. etc
asciilifeform: and it sequentially reads instructions from somewhere, and each time does something. which consists of picking up operands somewhere, carrying out a e.g. addition or subtraction , and dropping the result somewhere.
asciilifeform: once you understand how these 2 worked, errything else in vonneumann-world is correctly seen as a bloated version of same.
asciilifeform: for contrast , here http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-01#1678049 is a 6502 cpu made by hand , of discretes. ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is entirely separate problem from 'i don't know how a 6502 worked'
esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform) ☟︎
asciilifeform: where e.g. 'since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags. Many young star coders are of this ilk.'
shinohai: It may sound retarded, but I learned how XOR and NAND gates work by reading Forrest Mimm books and building the shit on a breadboard.
asciilifeform: now has a quasi-blog again.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. ' i know how addition works but not how to make a cpu that fetches instructions ...' ? )
esthlos: which actually puts me in a position of not _really_ grokking compys
asciilifeform: ( j. l. hennessy & d. a. patterson )
esthlos: asciilifeform: have any (text)book suggestions for a computer hardware architecture n00b?
asciilifeform: !A .0.1-.0.1-.0.1- .0.1+.0.1+.0.1+ ( ditto ) Q
asciilifeform: !A .0.1+.0.1+.0.1+ .0.1-.0.1-.0.1- ( pretend.. ) Q
asciilifeform: !A .0.1-.0.1-.0.1- (and pretend we X)Q
asciilifeform: !A .0.1+.0.1+.0.1+(and pretend we X)Q
asciilifeform: !A.~.~.~...X
asciilifeform: !A ....~.~.~ X
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 08:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:41 asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 11:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism' ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 10:18 mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that."
asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing ☟︎
asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now, that the whole "french people can technology too!" olivetti-document-format went nowhere is, i think, neither surprising nor in anyone's estimation a bad thing ; but divorced from that, the claim that pdf-ttp would have been an improvement ?! wtf is this guy talking about ?
mircea_popescu: rt to keep the ODA and ODIF folks at bay and was a purely political stunt, not intended to be implemented. When I went ahead and did it, I was not exactly applauded for the effort. The fact that it was /vastly/ more efficient in all respects than the stupid character syntax was /most/ unwelcome by the community."
mircea_popescu: s you get when parsing ASN.1 are unforgiving. There is no doubt in my mind that if SDIF had won over the insanely verbose text format, even things like HTML would have been moderately sane. Not to mention the fact that images could have been carried in the same data stream. The world would have been a better place if SDIF had won over HTML, and if the nutjobs who "invented" XML had been moderately in touch with reality, they
mircea_popescu: about 75% of the memory to reconstruct the identical in-memory version of the document. This experiment was among the many data points that led me to conclude that SGML is insane and that those who think it is rational to require parsing of character data at each and every application interface are literally retarded and willfully blind. Also, an SDIF data stream can only represent a validated document and the kinds of error
mircea_popescu: "By the way, the SGML Document Interchange Format (ISO 9069) uses ASN.1 to ship SGML documents around. I wrote an implementation of SDIF in three days. Test runs showed that a major CALS application consumed approximately 40% of the character count of the SGML file, and with the then commonly available tools to parse and process SGML documents and ASN.1 processors, the SDIF data stream took around 1/200th as much CPU time and
mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: stands in for a definition of marxism equally well.
mircea_popescu: but he doesn't see this, so in he falls into pantsuit sink, "getting personal about profession is tremendously annoying" etc. no it's fucking not, jesus christ, jwz restated. have a better personality instead!
mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone want to do a wire for me ? pete_dushenski ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 22:57 asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ? ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: presently i suspect that gpl-gnat has succumbed to the work of wreckers. ~100% of the barfology to date, has been from gpl-gnat users with astonishingly variously rotted carcasses in place of a working compiler
esthlos: sorry to be a bother asciilifeform, but still not working with adacore's gnat: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NjSGH/?raw=true
asciilifeform: if you dont know how to magick a gentoo gcc-gnat, use adacore's
asciilifeform: you have a bodged install loox like
asciilifeform: lemme guess, yer on a crapple ??
esthlos: asciilifeform: ada woes, am I missing a library? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ndFJX/?raw=true
asciilifeform: we're approx. at level of a ( much cleaner ) circa- june 2017 ffa nao.
mircea_popescu: this is a little like being offered mention in the bible. i imagine many at the time thought 40 silvers a better deal, however...
asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter. ☟︎
shinohai: ^ neat asciilifeform ... I'm a bit slower learning these bits (like debug flag 2 didn't work on gpg2 because mpi) but patience.
mircea_popescu: give noobs a chance!
asciilifeform: nifty, ty mircea_popescu . possibly some of the new blood will finally do a job
mircea_popescu: anyway, as ben_vulpes says, these are a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: as a general rule : if you publish a graph, which is continuous, and based on empirical data, do the world a favour and color-dot the datapoints on there.
asciilifeform: if the good doktor writes in and asks, i'ma add a t.
mircea_popescu got the impression he named it deliberately for the acronymism (a lot more excusable in his case seeing how the uscongresstards hadn't yet driven that joke into the ground) and will sneak out to mix sugar in your fuel tank at night if you dare lop off the the
asciilifeform: odd, cuz asciilifeform got a distinct feeling that he had made a pudding of it. but happy that mircea_popescu found it edible.
asciilifeform: this one contains a candy.
BingoBoingo: The return of kink place as a "crypto" forum too. Maybe take the temperature of their autism?
shinohai: Might do a Eulora promotion or something there this Spring if the btc Gods are kind to me this winter.
shinohai: Yeah, I simply turn off DMs there is at least a knob for that.
mircea_popescu: can't imagine why, it must be just a feed like any other neh ?
mircea_popescu: just make sure it spits them out when asked and in a paste less it angers ye gods.
mircea_popescu: aaactualy! how about this as a small job for you shinohai ? set up a bot, rss lines from here to twitter and @, dms from twitter here.
mircea_popescu: eh, anyone can set up a rss from here, which is ~the whole thing i'd even consider.
shinohai: I'll log in and send him a DM if you like, invite him here for a chat.
BingoBoingo: I was doing my weekly cleaning and oiling of the boots, which likely seemed like a strange custom for Brasileros to have.
BingoBoingo: In other news, last night I had my first experience answering a query in Portuguese and having interpreted it as yet another new accent
mircea_popescu: get a grip man, you have this strange reactive mr hyde portion, thoroughly anxiety driven, as if you honestly believe, with the deep fiber of your 5yo being, that whenever something happens chulhu will come fuck your plushies. one can almost measure the velocity of republic on the basis of alf-insanity-odometer as measured from the logs, are you aware ? correlate of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763554 is directly above. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: sit your ass down for one cottonpicking moment, and consider the fact that you're the fellow who, IN THE SAME DAY, deduced that "nobody reads x" on the basis of "i read it every day and never found x.y". this, somehow, was a rational deduction that passed your filter. THEN you proceeded to threaten its-not-exactly-clear whom with burial, over their threats to steal your printer. and THEN you went off the deep end wrt to some
a111: Logged on 2017-12-26 19:48 mircea_popescu: go make yer castles today, so noobs have a shot at life in 2018
mircea_popescu: #trilema in particular is #trilema in particular because the buck stops with mircea_popescu as opposed to any other specific implementation of the same concept, but that's neither here nor there ; moreover you're very much encouraged to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-26#1758744 -- a bunch of locals have managed to reach that exalted level where the experience of actually and seriously working the other side of the problem wou ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-01-25 17:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they only had one guy to answer to. all systems which are build around a spot where the buck stops outperforms systems bereft of such.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu IS, in this context and fundamentally, the item where the buck stops, as the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-25#459581 concept ; and consequently #trilema is "a thing such as #trilema", as opposed to "a thing such as pantsuit" BECAUSE #trilema is built on this system as opposed to the "buck never stops" only possible alternative. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 12:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765918 << if mircea_popescu sees himself as the 1 fella with a working head, and sole fountain of sanity, and errybody else is a peculiar sort of animated furniture -- i am quite powerless to cure. ( occasionally i'll try curing anyway, as it sometimes seems to work , e.g. seems to be finally cured of 'plain text' after 3+ yrs of 'wie sind sie eigentlich... !' )
shinohai: Heh I had one of those Sharp calcs when I was a kid, loved the thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 18:04 asciilifeform: ever owned a rpn calc , ben_vulpes ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1765051 << when I was little my dad had (might still have) this nice calculator that asciilifeform would like, it was a scientific calculator, used rpn, was about the size of a mans palm, landscape, solid metale housing ☝︎
PeterL: yes, I had a couple that included BASIC "games"
asciilifeform: and the other caveat - if a patch is 500kB, 1) no one will in actuality read it 2) people will lie to themselves and each other re having 'read'.
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced that mircea_popescu is wrong to demand that everyone who wants to use a patch with own universe, oughta rewrite it, painfully with own hands.
asciilifeform: there is not a mechanical substitute for own brain.
PeterL: have a patch-of-the-patch?
PeterL: isn't that why we have a main-line version of software, so everybody is working on the same thing? does it make sense for everybody to be wroking on something slightly difference and expect my changes to fit your thing?
PeterL: couldn't having a standard of "touch readme file each patch" be a form of "don't do that"?
asciilifeform: consider piano. is it necessarily broken, because when a cat walks on the keys, what comes out is not music ?
PeterL: so you want to touch comments in pertinent files after-the-fact, while I am suggesting touching a comment in a central file (README?) each time so that doesn't have to happen
PeterL: the problem I see with the current system is that you can make a change in one file which relies on a change in behavior of a function defined in a different file. You end up with two "sister" patches, but the second one is invalid without the first.
PeterL: if the is are sister patches A and B, and you want to make C using both of them you just regrind B to B', the only difference would be the one patch version file, and that difference would be readily vissible by diffing B and B', then make C ontop of B', works with current v IIUC
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 00:00 asciilifeform: i'ma summarize the v thing : if you have a proposed new v algo ; and it would turn my 1kB patches into 1MB, and my readable 3 lines into 100kLoc of ?#@%$*(@%% , and my trivial machine-diff-verifiable changes into 'why dontcha sit for 5 years doing eyeball-powered diff' -- it is NOT an improvement. and i won't touch it. sign it. sign anything made on it. etc
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1765616 << I dun see why patches have to change much? Thinking of the system proposed by mircea_popescu you would have one line change in a "patch version" file, the rest of the patch would be identical to what we have now ☝︎
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/gDphe << meanwhile, in other noose, '...impact on CPU usage of one of our back-end services after a host was patched to address the Meltdown vulnerability...'
asciilifeform: will add, however, that there is not and will never be a fully-automated, mechanical nonsense-preventer. it is a moar fantastic dream than the prime-number generator. it is rather like to ask for piano that cannot play badly.
asciilifeform: rrything into 1file. this comes at a cost. apparently this particular electric fence must get pissed on empirically, for the cost to become obvious. let it be pissed on then, i haven't presently anything to add.