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spyked: re
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 , specifically glibc is gonna go from my machines once I encuntooate
them. it's not yet clear
to me how
this will impact e.g. apache, which calls dlopen for its loadable modules
thing. google didn't
turn out anything on
the subj either.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:19 diana_coman:
to my mind option b has
the benefit
that it concentrates
the effort in
the right direction at least
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some
time
to look at
things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want
to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked
trinque
bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess
the message did not parse correctly. i'm not proposing c
the programming language; i meant something similar
to "option c" from
the list of possibilities you outlined in
thread
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 ☝︎ bvt: i do not expect
to see a lot of exceptions from sjlj
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:07 mircea_popescu: c. ada-?-musl-static is
the standard, either zcx or sjlj is acceptable (mostly based on what
threading philosophy one embraces), with an obvious preference for zcx if one doesn't
thread.
bvt:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897636 << as long as i need userspace C code
to run, I'll be happy
to use musl. it's not bugs-free, but its bugs have very different nature
than glibc's. i see no reason for keeping glibc on non-toiletboxes.
☝︎ phf: this really has been a low priority item until i moved
to russia, but now i'm stuck in secular hell, so
this whole subject elicits only anger and i'd rather something good actually came out of it.
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: give me until end of march
to resolve it one way or another, feel free
to neg rate me
then
☟︎ lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 8 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i hate
to become 'thread necromancer', but would really like a resolution of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 &
the related quandaries some
time before i die of old age. plox
to comment.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some
time
to look at
things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want
to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked
trinque
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you believe you've lived
to be doing
the xraying
to
the bolix ?
☟︎ trinque: probably
there ought
to be some euloran folks weighing in, maybe shinohai or someone
tells us whether it can be built atop musl
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 02:10 mircea_popescu: and speaking of
that old discussion : let's remind
the folk on
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 that
there's relatively little point in being part of
the lordship if one can't be arsed
to at least say
they don't wish
to comment on some serious problem we run into.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 01:58 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899802 <<
this
ties directly into above. it's not a problem of "these engineers did not do enough". it's not an engineering problem at all. it's 100% political, "these sorry schmucks passed
themselves off for an authority
they could never possibly be".
this'll never wash, and in particular indigence is
the worst possible plea
they could bring. if
they ALSO are poor
then
THEREFORE even LESS q
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:59 bvt: i can
try killing
that code
to see what happens -- i don't even understand why zcx won't just work, and
there is no information on
this problem in
the whole internet
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some
time
to look at
things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want
to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked
trinque
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:07 mircea_popescu: c. ada-?-musl-static is
the standard, either zcx or sjlj is acceptable (mostly based on what
threading philosophy one embraces), with an obvious preference for zcx if one doesn't
thread.
mircea_popescu: argentines do
this, and ima fucking napalm
that shithole for it. because it just can't fucking be done, what "zcx" ?
the name
they were looking for is "snot".
mircea_popescu: "how dare you even call your aborted glob of misdesign SOMETHING AT ALL!" is
the question. kids don't go around giving names
to
their lego constructions and
then hacking everyone's gps
to point
to imaginary "City Of Wonderful Wonderments" 2x3 foot square.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:47 diana_coman: bvt, my understanding is
that zcx said "this case is
too complicated
to even
try
to handle and why do you need it anyway,
terrorist!"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899802 <<
this
ties directly into above. it's not a problem of "these engineers did not do enough". it's not an engineering problem at all. it's 100% political, "these sorry schmucks passed
themselves off for an authority
they could never possibly be".
this'll never wash, and in particular indigence is
the worst possible plea
they could bring. if
they ALSO are poor
then
THEREFORE even LESS q
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:47 asciilifeform: bvt: i started with
the supposition
that it was built for irons where
there is no
time slicer , but currently nfi whether
this is so, or whether was simply a kludge for no particular reason
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no intention
to comment on
the "pro" whatever it is.
the "authors" not in wot, item dun exist, wut do i care.
mircea_popescu: witness
the reaction
to
the discussion of
tcc very different
to
the reaction
to
this discussion of zcx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the point you pursue would be A LOT more defensible among
the honorable poor, people who say "we did
this much and intend
to do
this much more when we can".
mircea_popescu: there's really no rule
there must be crap "made available"
to "the public". a)
there's no such
thing as "the public" and b) srsly now. do it right or go
the fuck home,
tell wifey your
troubles.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have
this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on
that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does
this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit
there with it in.'
mircea_popescu: also "what would you have moron do ???" "well, i didn't say he HAS
to be wykeham professor of logic / chicago professor of constitutional law / whatever".
mircea_popescu: why'd i have
them do anything ? africa's fulla africans who don't go around pompously pretending
they're white people.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:43 asciilifeform:
those come with
the opensores gnat
tho ( i was never able
to get it
to run, seems
to only work on winblowz and shituntu )
mircea_popescu: a most infuriating implementation of broken-by-design, ironically exactly
the
thing foss was supposed
to prevent.
mircea_popescu: if you find something of interest feel free
to genesis or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 05:28 mircea_popescu: in any case,
the ownership of
this entire
thing is clearly established, and entirely nobody
the fuck else outside of properly authorized republican hands may fucking
touch it.
bvt: i can
try killing
that code
to see what happens -- i don't even understand why zcx won't just work, and
there is no information on
this problem in
the whole internet
☟︎ bvt: asciilifeform: no, did not. my attempt was
to use polling pragma, but mircea_popescu made it clear
that it's not an option at all.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-20 16:27 asciilifeform:
the only reason asmism even potentially invites itself, is
that idjit compiler gives no primitive for add/sub-with-carry or full-word mul
bvt: diana_coman: it seems so,
the code for ignoring aborts on zcx was added in 2003 and not
touched since
that
time, so i agree with "broken by design"
diana_coman: well, at least
that choice of only sjlj for certified profiles makes some sense since zcx is just not doing
the full job as it were
diana_coman: bvt, my understanding is
that zcx said "this case is
too complicated
to even
try
to handle and why do you need it anyway,
terrorist!"
☟︎ diana_coman: in
truth,
they do say "coding standard verification" but I suspect
that means whether a piece of code follows whatever convention specified for
that project, hm
diana_coman: ah, not with
the standard, ofc not; with whatever certificate x measures (as
they say:
traceability, formal verification, stack consumption)
bvt: hello. i also
tried
to find information on why zcx is broken, but not sjlj -- did not find anything specific
diana_coman: ah, hm, I
thought
there was some different version/moar features in
the commercial version; anyway, I have
to admit I did not really
try
to get it running as
there was no ..need felt for it so far
diana_coman: and yes,
tools for certification
this and
that i.e. automated bureaucracy/compliance
diana_coman: my impression was
that
their upsell was mostly on
tools i.e.
the IDE whatever-its-name-was
diana_coman: last
time I had
to have any sort of idea what
that meant, it was iirc having
the stamp of higher-stamped stamp-stampers etc