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mircea_popescu: not even necessarily a likely or in any case
the only stable solution
mircea_popescu: consider
the problem of cannon in ww2. obviously, an -ev machinery IN OUR CURRENT PEACETIME
TERMS.
mircea_popescu: yes
there may be a why somewhere. maybe
there is. maybe
they jacked off and spludged in
that shape. none of your busienss in any case.
mircea_popescu: does not mean
there's room for any specified number of computers.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that
there's room for six CAPITAL ALLOCATORS
total
mircea_popescu: so your choice of whether you want a good computer or not reduces
to whether you're willing
to live without
the mass delusion of you know, "democracy" or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: if people get "salaries" for doing "work" which have
to
then be collected back from
them -
the mcdonald, walmart, windows and britney spears are unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. do you live in a world where most capital is uselessly distributed
to idiots ?
mircea_popescu: (the only solution
to
the soft-warm comparison is a decent pair of
tits)
mircea_popescu: let's get back
to your original idea. can you state it ?
mircea_popescu: the point of comparison weould be "pile of scrap metal in
the approximate shape of a desktop"
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:10; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable
that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: 2.5k calories a day * 365 * 20 is a decent chunk oif change even in hfcs
terms
mircea_popescu: not so. average cost per kid over 1-18 is about 500k atm.
that makes
the stable cost quadrillions. computers don't cost
that much.
mircea_popescu: but looky : man in space is -ev in
the sense
that if you make a bill of
the required materials, and
then divide
the stores by
that, you come
to a number
that's < world pop.
mircea_popescu: "all i did all week was write a program
to save me one keystroke per month - INCREASE WORKEFICIENCY!1"
mircea_popescu: but
this does not speak about
the activity of computing, or automating, or process design. it merely speaks of
the idiot in question, and his
tribe.
mircea_popescu: time he spent = 10
to 100x
time he saved, not
to mention he saves
time
that's not worth saving in
the first place.
mircea_popescu: the way "computer expert" approaches a problem ? first, he sits around imagining a problem
that might be.
then he comes up with
the most
theoretically-lovable way
to solve a general problem
three steps removed from what he imagined.
then he proceeds
to fail
to implement a solution
that mostly works.
mircea_popescu: there is a directly obvious place where
this is
true.
the way i approach a problem ? i have someone do it by hand. after enough of
this, i have someone else automatize
the easy
to automatize parts. it grows from
there.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:32:20; asciilifeform: just
to add
to
the already forming lsd
trip in
this
thread: i'm not personally convinced
that ic production HAS EVER BEEN +EV
mircea_popescu: chiefly for
the reason discussed earlier.
there is literally nothing most people can do
that's worth paying btc for.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable
that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:28:04; asciilifeform: summary: nobody knows how
to make selling computers +ev without
the millions-of-planktonous-idiots market being involved somehow
cazalla: ah fair enough, no EFI
trip wire here
trinque: maybe so;
the guy kinda diverged from
the guide, but
then
that was because he didn't know what EFI vs BIOS was
cazalla: trinque, wasn't implying
that, more
that if i could do it
then probably anyone else here can do
the same
trinque: but an observation
that one has
to really reach back
to remember what it's like
to not even know how
to describe what you're not understanding
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:37;
trinque: I
think
the lesson here is
that at least with current materials,
they can't
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:09; n6: How would someone get gentoo installed without
this level of support?
mircea_popescu: sponsible for stretching
them, setting
them off in new directions, and keeping fun in
the house. "
mircea_popescu: "I
think
that it's extraordinarily important
that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course,
the paying customers got shafted every now and
then, and after a while we began
to
take
their complaints seriously. We began
to feel as if we really were responsible for
the successful, error-free perfect use of
these machines. I don't
think we are. I
think we're re
decimation: I enjoyed my
time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish
to cause drama or be an impediment
to improving bitcoin. Even
though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on
their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
mircea_popescu: fortunately
there's very little actual matter consumed in vlsi.
mircea_popescu: the state, bulbously putrescent as it is, does not get
to propose
the false dichotomy - "us or nothing"
mircea_popescu: that was broadly my point,
that
the infantile "usg closes down so we're closing
this park, and you'll be sorry!11" dies right here.
mircea_popescu: lasts forever.
the way
they grow pot is
the way we'llgrow food in short order.
mircea_popescu: today, if you're not doing
that you're doing what,
twitter ?
mircea_popescu: re
the
thermodynamics : people live and
then die.
their
time is fundamentally free. no
thermodynamics applies here.
mircea_popescu: so it never actually provided an ysort of advantage, but merely
the promise of perhaps one day.