asciilifeform: 'st peter, you can't take me, for i can't go, i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)(1890s amerischwitz) i dun think they necessarily confuse it.
asciilifeform: how would one go about mistaking ipad for one such ?
asciilifeform: 'wriggle out of the conclusion while accepting form'
asciilifeform: clone of clone, and who knows, maybe kangaroo nao instead of frog, i have not followed the subj
asciilifeform: today not even needs pea shooters; e.g. weev et al successfully occupied with escape 'censored' r-reddit to alt-alt-r-reddit etc
asciilifeform: hence, for instance, clinton's creation of 'militias' to send the r-reddit folx to play with pea shooters, rather than chancing their discovery of effective low-tech monkey wrenches (e.g. gas)
asciilifeform: really whole root of 'guiism' is to give the monkey a harmless object to manipulate, like hamster is given wheel
asciilifeform: even these did not exist in the necessary mass, the 1st clinton had to create'em ( for waco etc )
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta how there wasn't actually a 'communist underground' in the last reich, just that luxembourg chix who got guillotined with buncha other derps
asciilifeform: ( considering that there isn't actually such a thing as 'new right', but in reality buncha folx who read r-reddit in place of l-reddit )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt that it's so specific; afaik they see it as simply a large underground bag into which they've driven errything with even half a ball remaining, 'could do anyffing!1'
asciilifeform: 'later', 'later', then suddenly 'must nao'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the reported 'postal' derps to date seem to follow this pattern
asciilifeform: recently it was invoked , in a ban on whatever peculiarly shaped rifle butt was found in the las vegas postal, supposedly 'bounces off shoulder and shoots illicitly faster'
asciilifeform: ( 'we found an old rifle in his closet, and a shoestring, if he were to tie it to the bolt like-so...' )
asciilifeform: or, on the other side of the kangaroo courthouse, the infamous 'shoestring machinegun' cases, etc.
asciilifeform: ( sorta how you see sentences for '10kg of lsd', which has never existed and probably will never exist on planet earth; they weigh whatever reagents, incl water )☟︎
asciilifeform: and the whole mass of the boot will count towards 'sentence formula'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lulzily , in ameristan they have the 'analogues act', i.e. anybody can be prosecuted, if they 'need to have problems', for, say, the glue in their chinese shoes, if need be
asciilifeform: iirc under obummer they even made inroads into making small arms blackmarket dependent on usg-controlled suppliers.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: even these, are afaik now quite similar to the flower pot derp, typically just a d00d who works at pharmacy warehouse
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the thrust behind the recent trend of 'pot legalizations' in usa -- succeeded in neutering the healthiest of the blackmarkets ( something like 1 in 5 zeks in usa, regularly pot )
asciilifeform: in current-day gringolandia, 'dealer' is no longer interesting connector to the world, but rather some d00d with two flower pots and fluorescent lamp in his cellar
asciilifeform: same folx presumably who bought the infamous $100M pizza
asciilifeform: ( recall similar generation of amoeba who 'then i realized mmm was SCAM!' ? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly you oughta test this experimentally, might be pleasantly surprised.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the main q is not re how many, but whether there is an 'emacs'-like boojum among'em. buildroot will just as happily build 9000 deps as 1.
asciilifeform: Mocky: occasionally you will stumble across the latter's mangled bones, in the logz.
asciilifeform: Mocky: the design of v is to give thoughtful, careful, honest folx , a sword with which to cut the sloppy, careless, and mendacious.
asciilifeform: Mocky: v rejects the traditional concept of 'merge'. therefore in order for a patch to continue through time, it must be not only correct, and simple not only to understand but to manually reintegrate ( see l0gz re 'regrind' ) .
asciilifeform: Mocky: to function as a troo vtronicist, gotta grasp the concept, described by e.g. dijkstra, that a line of code you have written is not an asset, but an expense. (specifically, an expense against the time budget of other thinking people, who must read and grasp what you have written. )☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: not errybody makes it to the other end .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out.
asciilifeform: fella had enthusiasm, even some talent, but could not grasp the essential idea that a patch gotta be compact and touch a strict and justifiable minimum count of moving parts
asciilifeform: Mocky: the illustrative log hook is the story of polarbeard
asciilifeform: Mocky: not merely this. there is also a set of human-enforced conventions re: 'fits-in-head' of any proposed change.
asciilifeform: Mocky: as you are prolly already beginning to understand from the l0gz, vtronics grew from trb work, which demanded 'measure not 7, but 7777 times, before cutting once', in the style of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644☝︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: even quite small changes to trb, typically get months ( sometimes yrs.. ) of discussion, testing.
asciilifeform: Mocky: trb , roughly speaking , is a legacy item, in the same way as the icbm targeting comp and similar. i.e. a museum piece that gotta be kept in working order, rather than 'sexy, new' thing bubbling with development
asciilifeform: Mocky: the definitive doc, unfortunately, is still the src .
asciilifeform: Mocky: on the list of serious problems in trbworld, it ranked somewhere near bottom.
asciilifeform: Mocky: the rpc thing is ugly and there were experiments re replacing it ( e.g. 'shiva', scheme interpreter bolted on to trb ) but this took a back seat to moar pressing matters ( control of memory footprint ; sane sync behaviour; coupla other items ) and to this day rpc is still there.
asciilifeform: generally speaking unless one or moar of your deps is weird in the 'emacs' way (i.e. does something obscene with glibc-specific pheatures) it's a straight mechanical job, like rotor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had asked asciilifeform not to meddle in euolorological matters, so i'ma stop here, unless all of you somehow get stuck and he asks for specific puzzler to be sent to my operating table.
asciilifeform: it is my understanding that trinque has a quite complete list of what worx and what -- not; ping him when he wakes.
asciilifeform: of the mentioned libs, zlib is known to me to work under musltronic build; libmysqlclient i had not occasion to test☟︎
