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feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-october-november-and-december-1714-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of October, November and December, 1714. - Part IV.
hanbot: BingoBoingo: plox to go ahead an' reboot yonder s.nsa spare when convenient.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in theory the logs are endlessly educational! in practice, learning takes practice.
asciilifeform: hard to picture an easier coin than this, but aite
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: politely decline, but should the merry bandits catch the tax collector's carriage unawares i know where to place my buy orders.
mircea_popescu: an excellent choice in what to be spooked by, sir.
asciilifeform: same type as prev.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 17:05 asciilifeform: '...Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal...' etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nuffin wrong with that; so long as also keep in mind http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835153 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: either tending to my manorial lands, or carving my fortune out of passing stagecoaches, depending on the day. the glittering court, most elevated discourses, high-octane cultronium etc readily distract me from the husbandry that capitalizes. also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875979 spooked me. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: nothing so exciting; simply stacking up a tiny pile of variously purple and pink 'greenbacks' to exchange for sheetrock and buttcorns.
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform, but it'll be short and i'll dive for some more time yet.
ben_vulpes: place is the 3rd or 4th largest population-wise and has much more humility and concomittantly a vastly greater depth to the sell-side of pretty much everything.
ben_vulpes: for all that the place is nominally filled with capitalists, nobody here drives like time is a rapidly exhausting resource. i seem to have landed in a town largely flavored like portland. nobody knows how to make coffee, and the region doesn't produce much by way of wine. but! where portland was the largest metropolis for a good hundred and fifty miles in any direction (and cavorted with airs to match), this
BingoBoingo: How is Texscadia treating you?
lobbesbot: ben_vulpes: Sent 6 hours and 12 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> mimibot appears to be down
ben_vulpes: noches, todos
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, i wonder why we all only used amds. what suckers we were, and all that.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/lo-sceicco-bianco/ << Trilema -- Lo sceicco bianco
trinque: I can't say for sure until I instrument the thing with slime and wait for it to happen
asciilifeform: trinque: that's as far as i was able to get when walked through it , aha
trinque: asciilifeform: shape of it as I vaguely recall is that the bot-stuck-away state looks like bot-connected from PoV of bot
BingoBoingo: Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.
BingoBoingo: That was in the "old" days. Intel has moved on to disappearing Quantum bathtubs for catapulting
asciilifeform: ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )
asciilifeform: ( not a bite at trinque , i suspect it is genuinely stiff problem , fleanode apparently throws ~random garbage )
asciilifeform: my own bot, and presumably errything else that uses trinque's orig mechanism, is similarly afflicted
asciilifeform finds it interesting that 'bot self-resetting when fleanode pisses into its mouth' is still open problem
asciilifeform: trinque said that ben_vulpes is alive , so i expect he'll reboot .
mircea_popescu expects ben_vulpes reboots mimi in short order and the matter goes away ; otherwise we'll see wtf to do about this.
mircea_popescu: the costs of these things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they'd prolly be closer to being done, so you wouldn't find yourself in the position of "no logger for pizarro", except they got sent to do auction bot fixes and gutenberg mirror respectively, if you recall.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point : they're cutting their own trees because they're their own. if you were cutting it, conceivably it'd be with phuctor python, that being yours, and so o.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform is actually sticking to mircea_popescu's admonition to not divert from conveyor contents, so i'ma not do this any time soon
asciilifeform: would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )
mircea_popescu: but fundamentally yes, the reason the tree's not cut exactly to your measure's that you never cut it yourself.
mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the published bot genesis takes care of the irc mechanics and the db write ; what's missing is the wwwistic front end
mircea_popescu: not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.
mircea_popescu: afaik both the current developments are following code published by trinque that comes off ben_vulpes 's logger. this is perfectly fine, too, and no it's not "10 minutes", again because of all the trims.
asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )
mircea_popescu: not being reinvented or anything, just, it's a large thing because of all the trims.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik both lobbes and spyked are working towards this : http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/#selection-103.0-103.42 and http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html respectively.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thank you
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty
asciilifeform for instance would luvv to log #pizarro and #asciilifeform , say, with own hands, but dun currently have time to write a frontend, and finds it peculiar that nobody's seen it fit to genesis theirs, srsly how many times does that 1 proggy gotta be reinvented
asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, odd tripwire is odd tripwire
diana_coman: hopefully I won't mess it up again the same way at least
diana_coman: working fine; thank you very much BingoBoingo
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ready for a reset when you get there
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell ben_vulpes mimibot appears to be down
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, I'm in ; it was hiccup on my side ; thank you
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, got it, thanks! but ssh is waiting on connecting to box... so far
BingoBoingo: Will deploy kvm to S.MG testbox
asciilifeform: in case i gotta help massage later tonight
asciilifeform: err, the kvm, that is
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It sees the disks. Unplugging keyboard and monitor from diana_coman's test box
hanbot: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: well, waiting for trinque --i want to give him an opportunity in case this is interesting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plz check that it actually sees the raid
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, changes made on the actual stationary disk, oughta persist, sorta whole point
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Your live environment is ready. This is the same live image hanbot has been using. Changes made to the live environment will not persist.
asciilifeform: hanbot : while BingoBoingo is in the cage, do you also want reset ?
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true
spyked: ok, tyvm!
asciilifeform: spyked: got it. i'ma get it to the post on sat. at the latest.
spyked: mircea_popescu, aite. yeah, their pastebox looks pretty neat.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/087-feedparse.html << The Tar Pit -- A feed parser for Common Lisp programs
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 15:45 trinque: hanbot: umount build/sys ?
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900597 << trinque: same, "target is busy". if you wanna try and untangle, i'm at your disposal, but otherwise i'ma have it rebooted ☝︎
diana_coman: great, thanks
asciilifeform: diana_coman: BingoBoingo set out for the cellar just nao.
diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts
asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?
asciilifeform: unless it was the cpp components which did
diana_coman: o.O so you're saying that apparently gprbuild --RTS=sjlj on adacore's gnat STILL pulls in some zcxism??
asciilifeform: ok this is odd, cuz, recall, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896695 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897234 , it oughta be _Unwind_SjLj_Resume , and not _Unwind_Resume ( the latter is a zcxism! ) ☝︎☝︎
diana_coman: possibly this is just a different mismatch
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'
asciilifeform: why aint there a chukcha chipset, btw.
diana_coman: once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable
diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )
asciilifeform: afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900636 << was this in the final linkage step, or earlier (and if then, then in the .cpp pieces ? or ada ? ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: a turd by any other name, would smell as sweet (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( and it'd suck just as hard if they'd named it 'monaco' instead.. )
diana_coman: once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig
mircea_popescu: diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, compiler started diverging from the "obsolete" ie functional exception handler.
diana_coman: ftr the same setup otherwise compiled and ran perfectly fine the tasks-test
diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in the meantime, things can be called "liguria" and so on.