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ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/ ☟︎
diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what? ☟︎
hanbot: and i'd think salvaging bb's mission closer to the goal --any point closer than zero--, would be just about top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around.
hanbot: i suppose the amount of time it's taken to get to this point while the same death knell was present makes it easy to imagine things could just continue as they are, but i tell you that seems pretty dangerous.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for sake of argument -- suppose i were to take your place. i would then have exactly same problem.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 16:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can pay the rack vendor already. the issue is your own food.
mircea_popescu: lobbes no i just meant resistance is feminine in french
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is) ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: usg cops slowly cottoning on to the fragility of their position: http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-dead-cop-injured-dangerous-ongoing-barricade-situation/story?id=53017623 "death toll could have been much higher", also garage countermeasures finally gaining traction among le resistance; dood lit fires inside the house i imagine to foil the IR cameras
ben_vulpes: subject of correctness, /me has been using "hugs" in place of "shit people from shithole countries". the lefty brainfry this induces is spectacularly hilarious; "i know you're using good words to mean bad things but but but!"
asciilifeform: somehow i knew mircea_popescu would say this!
mircea_popescu: because there's a list of possible questions organised in a question tree ("should i figure out glass or metal ? if i figure out metal, should i figure out sheets or rails ? and so on ad infinitum) it soon becomes apparent that no, it very much isn't worth it to evaluate arbitrarily complex ice sculptures for their possible fit to be used in castlemaking.
ben_vulpes: i don't follow the logic behind the valuation of the castle at t->inf. once proven wrong, whatever bastion was defended is overrun and so worthless.
mircea_popescu: you follow the logic or should i delve ?
mircea_popescu realises this is possibly the worst bait and switch ever. but i swear, unintentional!
BingoBoingo: I will add it to the list of shortcomings.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can add that to the list, by the way. a tendency to take what you hear as "what is" dun work irl! you know what i mean ? just cuz some chick said it from behind a desk dun make it worth two shits.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did, and walked away moar puzzled than before. for instance, why is it impossible to buy ips secondhand ? ( is it ? )
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
mircea_popescu: yes, i agree it is a very sad reality that everyone seems to be playing catch-up with the absolute minimum bar of "marginally retarded" rather than creating novel and interesting things.
asciilifeform: i built (with several other people) a system like this, in past life, it was used for crapware analysis
mircea_popescu: the problemis not that -- the problem is he got less ips for a whole rack than i have for single machines.
mircea_popescu: i'm just making an educated guess.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i've deployed it in past life.
mircea_popescu: whatever it'd be, i can promise you a) it does not work out of the box and b) you will want >25 years to fix it.
asciilifeform: i for instance do not buy vps. and so not in a position to say who does, or how to persuade'em to part with precious coinz.
mircea_popescu: that was a fabulous bit of JIT channeling btw! i'm finally fucking done with this monster article.
asciilifeform: if 'what's x, and what's y, and turns out x > y' is not a rational process, than apparently i do not know what is.
mircea_popescu: your output is not "i don';t have the money", read above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'useful' output is 'i dun have this money'
asciilifeform: as i understand this is not yet a solved problem.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you would have to come up with a method ( i don't particularly care what kind ) for converting the coinz to food.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can pay the rack vendor already. the issue is your own food. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ? << The deal with mircea_popescu was mircea_popescu bankrolls BingoBoingo builds isp for BingoBoingo with mircea_popescu as honored investor. For asciilifeform or whoever else may take an interest in taking over, the deal that interests me is BingoBoingo remains in Montevideo to help asciilifeform/alfteam/etc build themselves an isp taking clear
asciilifeform: fwiw i do not know the answer, and therefore assume the worst
asciilifeform: i do not know how the south amer monkeys do their taxation, if it's anything like how the british taxed FUCKGOATS...
mircea_popescu: i think your numbers are within a x2 / x.5 ballpark, which is about where it's been for a while. proceed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ?
mircea_popescu: and yes i pay in coin, if that wasn't by nao obvious >:)
mircea_popescu: well, i was going to take five for myself ; and was willing to even pay for them.
asciilifeform: let's suppose for gedankenexperiment that i could borrow mircea_popescu's nazi submarine and ship'em in duty-free. that still leaves 12*1600 == 19200 heathenbuxxorz for basic vps ( rented, presumably , to heathens, who will somehow agree to part with coin? but this is separate thread..)
mircea_popescu: then again, this does require competent rather than bumbling courriering, so i suppose ima let it rest.
asciilifeform: i'ma substitute in 350 for the hostel cost, iirc it was close to this
asciilifeform: mod6: i was about to expand
mircea_popescu: sooo i just spent 12 minutes writing and 28 minutes hunting for an article ;/
BingoBoingo: If I am headed out of here I would at least like the chance to more overtly spread machismo and racismo on the way out.
mircea_popescu: eh, took my foot. this is the stock in trade of the pantsuit rhetorics, "i am crying" "it took me X" etc.
diana_coman: obv, there should also be in principle a speed-up because of cutting off the "now word-> bits" part but that's sort of bonus the way I see it
diana_coman: what I don't really see the point for is the mixing bit + octet basically
mircea_popescu: i kinda liked the fiction that we have a bit-level something.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 17:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, if input+output are considered at octet level, there is a case to say that reading out of the state is also done at octet level; I'll mull this over a bit longer re speed as such (for the word-level implementation because the bit-level is just as slow either way)
diana_coman: on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782802 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782813 <- the more I think about this the more it seems to me that there is no point for bit-level extraction from state either; basically if bit notion doesn't make sense then why have it at extraction anyway; I think the choices would be 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2; as to the bit order for the output at the end of the day that is a convention too so it needs only to ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: I'll get some lunch while I wait to see what the aspiring next worry allocator's bid is to get me to stay in Montevideo.
BingoBoingo: I have a lot to learn before trusting myself much with the self direction is what this past week has been beating into me.
BingoBoingo: It is why I am inclined for alf to solicit pete_dushenski or another more experienced manager as either a consultant or partner if he is interested in taking over.
BingoBoingo: That management need matches with the learnings of the past week, which... I retrospect I can see in my entire time here.
mircea_popescu: the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need a mommy, to check whether you packed your lunch and to ask if you need to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly thrive, but you've not found her in me is all. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno if as a kid you ever did those things where "oh, if i had time machine, what'd i carry into past to be rich" a la http://trilema.com/2012/the-seven-pillars/ say, but this is just about exactly that. space is time, you know.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine there's other bids ; but if there are feel free to put a time limit on your bid and we see. i certainly see no problem with the matter being disposed by nightfall.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the economic value of the item as it stands would be about .80 ; i'd take that in cash today.
BingoBoingo: So, if anyone wants to take on an expensive, high risk corpse of a venture at almost certain substantial loss in BTC value... I'll be here at least a few days, probably a week, maybe even the end of the month before heading back to the land of petrocheese.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: more generally : i do not perceive any sort of future for the republic without an isp.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783157 << On this point, taking a lot more explicit direction... perhaps from an alf pete_dushenski partnership, where my role becomes more hired hand than self directed center of the brand. I mention pete_dushenski because of his lack of toxic US passport and apparent management experience. I have my doubts alf alone is sufficient to right this ship, but if pete_dushenki wants try saving the republic ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 14:48 mircea_popescu: i did try throughout, up to and including yesterday, to somehow compensate for the various issues, but eventually the time comes for the observation that the situation you created for yourself there is not actually tenable. spend your remaining cash on your plane ticket out, we're putting an end here to this well meaning but ultimately ineffectual effort.
phf: it was pretty quite until i started installing gnat, but then it kept on spinning. i'm not going to investigate right now
phf: i can probably put that machine on ssh, but it's been sitting in a closet and wildly spinning the fans, so i wonder if there's something i need to tweak in openbsd to keep it from doing that..
BingoBoingo: Anyways, going to go to see the local blackface Carnival parade tonight. Hopefully I get better at the night time photography thing.
BingoBoingo: That is the only long game I had been seeing which might justify continuing the adventure. Especially considering THIS is the local webhosting competition https://www.netuy.net/hosting.linux.uruguay.php?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlpvT_4qc2QIVkYKRCh0msAP1EAAYASAAEgKVU_D_BwE
mircea_popescu: (saneland here technically is taiwan or somesuch, i expect, but anyway)
BingoBoingo: As fucking disappointing as the locals are, I still prefer being off the reservation. If asciilifeform can promise the fuel to continue Hostel + Desk + $20 daily per diem to not starve... BingoBoingo is going to take time and think himself... After blogging the other pics from the yesterday walk.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not opposed to taking alfdebt in favor of mircea_popescu debt minding that the mircea_popescu debt comes first unless alf makes other arrangements with mircea_popescu. And also that a substantial part of the +EV involves BingoBoingo does things alf will find very disgusting to a few boxes in order to sell shared hosting. Think of how alf directed venture with PCengines 8 to the 1U as opposed to VPS for small
asciilifeform: i'ma back tomorrow; still in the process of last iteration of 'do what mircea_popescu told'
mircea_popescu: yes yes. do what i told you, i don't say these things out of boredom. then we'll see.
asciilifeform: i didnt say 'i'll buy right now, muhaha' did i
mircea_popescu: i'll be here an hour later. so will be here the fact the latter approach is well known and THOROUGHLY documented to cause shocking failure in otherwise well meaning, intelligent and respectable kids. that's ~the whole history of early bitcoin. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i would certainly consider selling ; now take the next hour and consider the matter THOROUGHLY, before you come back to promise me that you're actually acting rationally, rather than psychotically trying to further a dream on the flimsy fuel of injured self-image.
asciilifeform: the carcass. supposing BingoBoingo would go along. i.e. rights to the rack, operation, etc .
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Understood. The closest thing to rescuing the situation here is appearing to be take on substantially more debt from mircea_popescu while working with the local mud, and insufficient assurance the mud can be made baked into bricks. I am willing to take on the debt, but I am now grossly aware I was unprepared intellectually and otherwise. I also see no reason for mircea_popescu to bleed cash feeding Uruguayos when the
mircea_popescu: i can follow with that in mind the overpoweringly loud "so what if mp said however long ago and it saying it again, my life is my own to make!!!!" disclaimer going silently with every such statement.
mircea_popescu: i know there's this generalized habit to believe one's "in charge" of "himself" and may permit or not permit reality into his autism bubble as he sees fit and with no further consequences than whatever he may deign to allow, such magic powers being the absolute minimum bar for a special person quite as superbly special as those bred of postmodernity.
mircea_popescu: more generally : i do not perceive any sort of future for the republic without an isp. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i did try throughout, up to and including yesterday, to somehow compensate for the various issues, but eventually the time comes for the observation that the situation you created for yourself there is not actually tenable. spend your remaining cash on your plane ticket out, we're putting an end here to this well meaning but ultimately ineffectual effort. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, was this re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783134 or http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783033 or some third item ? ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: i'm confused as whether this is the groped staffer to the anti-groping campaigner or the chin-plower sex service dollie to the tan-haired first american or which
pete_dushenski: is obsessed with sharks. Terrified of sharks. He was like, ‘I donate to all these charities and I would never donate to a charity that helps sharks. I hope all the sharks die.’ He was like riveted. He was like obsessed. It was so strange, I know.”"
BingoBoingo: As I put this post togther the one redeeming though that keeps floating to the top of my mind is that this place is small enough that if The Republic is going to start subjugating, this is a rather small and defenseless sandbox to practice on.
BingoBoingo: "Don't flush toilet paper" is a warning I should have taken far more seriously.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> eam of reports from there, and would have already been late in the 2nd week. << I came to realize the grave neglect in not doing this exercise upon arrival rather early in the day's exercise.
mircea_popescu: but, for your own notes as well as for the strengthening of the public record, let me point out that the line "well mp... i have my doubts about the feasibility of the plan here ; casual inspection of the local orc bazaars pompously bestowing upon themselves the unearned monicker of 'computer hardware shops' resulted in a grand total of ONE identified rack, for instance." properly belonged in the ~very first week~ of your str
BingoBoingo: I return. The short of the news is there is still only one "business" that had one 2U chassis, and they have yet to follow up with a quote for the rest of the shopping list. Blog post baking, with pictures from this cargo cult hell hole.
shinohai: Thanks for clarification, I haven't gotten this deep down the rabbit hole with mine yet but looking forward.
pete_dushenski: lobbes: after reading through the logs and seeing that you'd gone through exactly the same thing, i was mindful to remove exp from subs too :)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 21:13 lobbes: and yeah, I overlooked that I apparently had to also remove expiration on the sub -explicitly- (via gpg --edit-key). Even though it was showing the sub as 'expiration: none' after I had removed expiration on the pub way back when
lobbes: pete_dushenski: I dunno if your situation is the same with your old 2014 key. But if you have any subkeys be sure to check them too >>  http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-08#1734399 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wasn't enough to actually lose out 2048 bits ; besides, he's using teh fg i expect ? is he ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you don't want a 4096 bit key; i can't find the relevant logs at the moment but koch-rsa does bad shit when generating keys > 2048 bits
trinque: hm, maybe I read it with my late night eyeballs
pete_dushenski: hopefully one of these loser pubkeys works, but if not i've made a new 4096 bit key to act as back-up/replacement. lemme know and thx again