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mircea_popescu: "what is
the end product of Qx ?" "well... more of
the workforce came late more often, missed more days, and feels should have larger salary and less work
to do"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
the point stands -- either close your cycles or die.
mircea_popescu: ye,
the ONLY measurably increasing output of running
the 1980s state economy was an increase of per-capita laziness, uselessness, and personal sense of entitlement of
the "worker"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're not discussing
that.
this was peacetime economy, and
the ~only product of its working was more per-capita laziness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the world
that is is
the world
that is. one must close all cycles in it, one can't simply go "oh, we'll keep going
the insolvent '''right way'''."
mircea_popescu: had
they actually been done on fucking
time,
they might've paid for
themselves as
the plans planned.
mircea_popescu: and
the low skill, low productivity, worthless workforce ain't no fucking joke, either. you can say "ceausescu made wrong call, bet on oil, prices changed, he lost".
the
THING however is, ceausescu made bet in 66, plans called for plants
to be done by 69,
they were done by 74.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yes, romanians
thought "theyt're working".
they were playing, 9 cases out of 10. << One of
the bigger cleaning product consortiums recently pulled production out of Uruguay. Easier
to ship packaged retail ready from Mexico
than water down and bottle in
the labor environment here.
mircea_popescu: gotta start doing ~something~ besides saying "fuckyou"
to parents, is
the fundamental lesson of all adolescence.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's worth something for no more
than ~decade.
mircea_popescu: yes, romanians
thought "theyt're working".
they were playing, 9 cases out of 10.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: as
the workers weren't willing (nor even able)
to PAY
to play,
their very expensive playground got cancelled.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cost
to make in "just sell
the natgas at bekescsaba, rather
than send
to azomures"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you want me
to say ? "if atomic winter came
then 1980s ro industry would be good" ?
these if dun work.
mircea_popescu: and
the list goes on. romania made more phospo-nitrogen fertilizer
than
the us currently uses -- and it cost
to make about
twice what anyone'd pay.
mircea_popescu: romania made
train engines nobody would buy, and
train cars
that it could not use.
mircea_popescu: you're
thinking of
the survivors. romania had ~9x more industry
than you can summon
to mind.
mircea_popescu: what is now alro was one of
the largest bauxite processing plants in europe. it cost ~over 8k ~~~1980~~~ usd
to make a
ton of aluminum
there, and
this at romania's EXTREMELY CHEAP hydro power rates.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 23:20 mircea_popescu: so no "tranzitie" bullshit whatsoever : we're gonna have
to cut all
the spurious "industry" in name only, and cut all
the fucktards who depend of it. and IT WAS DONE. and it was done as hard and fast as it ~could~ be done, witness
the whole "miners invading capital" lulz during radu vasile.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 16:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh folx are still waiting for
the vid from
the pentagon parking lot cams on '9/11'
mircea_popescu: that, sadly, was unsupportable, correctness be damned. and if you ain't gonna do
the right
thing, iliescu's way
the fuck better a schelling point
than herpitty-derp&co.
mircea_popescu: execute, as in, shot in
the head. everyone, as in, 2-3mn people.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:56 spyked: diana_coman, I suspect
this was mostly a case of "revision is well-received, but don't change anything"; which is why iliescu/fsn had so much support and average derp saw
the
taranisti as "way
too mean" (no idea precisely what "mean" means,
that's what I've been
told)
mircea_popescu: so yeah, while isarescu was
trying
to figure out which accreditives
to sign in which order on which day, bnr of
that winter being
the largest cheque kiting entreprise in
the entire world, a bunch of morons sitting on upturned beer cases "discussed politics".
that nothing comprehensible came of
the latter effort's
the participants' fault.
mircea_popescu: ault.
this is what
the mass-romanian is and does, nobody is needed
to "do it
to him", much like nobody's needed
to drag shit into lelea saveta's cunt. she does it, by herself, every
time she wipes.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 23:04 mircea_popescu: iptomonede, opinii" but even manages
to write
a piece on the celebrated
http://trilema.com/2011/romania-cea-de-basm-partea-i/ item (four years later) without somehow managing
to at all EVEN MENTION let alone fucking address
the whole reason public funds were even misdirected
towards printing
that (meanwhile melted down) piece of crap.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally,
this continues --
there's "romanian bdsm" dorks
today, as fucking if, amusingly omitting
to mention
that
there's exactly one romanian bdsm-er ; and
hilarious cvasi-republican posturing and all
the rest of it.
that
they're drowning in hollow halo of buzzwords which nevertheless fails
to mask at all
the complete sadness underneath is not like
the fucking martians' f
☝︎ mircea_popescu: now, admittedly
the average 20yo living in 1990 had no fucking clue of any of
the foregoing : not merely because
the average 20yo has no fucking clue anywhere and anytime, ustarded 20yos actually go into debt
to go
to "college"
today, even! but also because other
than
the romanian citizens i personally know, NO FUCKING BODY had ANY FUCKING CLUE about ANYTHING. AT
mircea_popescu: s about for another idle decade, waiting for
the pile
to rot"
mircea_popescu: by which i mean,
that negotiating with
the miners was
the absolute worst fucking decision possible.
the policy is either correct, in which case it gets defended, or incorrect, in which case it gets corrected.
there can't possibly be
this "oh, we should x but let's y instead", factual-abdication-without-formal-abdication. in which sense diana_coman has a solid point, "dood should have had his referendum ipso facto in 77, not b
mircea_popescu: and it mostly did better because isarescu is not ceausescu, at
that. ie, came from a wineyard fambly.
mircea_popescu: ition ro went for, and mostly got. in
the large land grab post us collapse, romania got what pieces it could grab, and while it didn't grab as much as say germany, or poland, it grabbed WAY
the fuck more
than even france, let
the ufck alone jokes like spain. and it did better in
this land rush
than it did in
the 60s/70s oil rush we discussed yest.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing wrong with "making breaks for bmw". all bmw consists of is producers of parts, an assembly plant, and a sticker factory. what you ~want~ in
that cake is
to be one of
the parts producers. it is folly
to imagine "owning intellectual property" in "the brand" has any fucking value. it is idiocy
to
try like
the argentines,
to assemble chinese kits and call it "an industry".
the only good position is
the pos
mircea_popescu: so yes romania kinda lost its nuclear
technology plants ; but romania also now has fine mechanics
that actually works, and actually makes money, and unlike bulgaria or fucking austria, let alone jokes like costa rica or argentina, has a very well working, agile and effectual industrial base. narrower
than it could have been in a very idealised sense, but way
the fuck wider
than it'd have been had eg
the "agricultural plans" o
mircea_popescu: so no "tranzitie" bullshit whatsoever : we're gonna have
to cut all
the spurious "industry" in name only, and cut all
the fucktards who depend of it. and IT WAS DONE. and it was done as hard and fast as it ~could~ be done, witness
the whole "miners invading capital" lulz during radu vasile.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie,
the writer dorks aren't
the ~only ones~ he was... abstainedly uncritical with. cowardly enough, he also did
the same when his skin was in it.
mircea_popescu: are sunteti din pozitia de expati prin multinationale.] actuallty fixed romania's pre-eminent problem in
the 90s, one
that ceausescu failed
to even dare address -- witness how
there's no discussion of "you fucks are
the worst miners
that ever went down a shaft" in response
to
the "jos cu burghezia rosie" bullshit he had
to confront in valea jiului cca 77.
mircea_popescu: the supporting in 3 was not merely food -- all
these idle useless fucktarded dorks expected
to eg heat
tghemselves in winter for free with
the abundant waste heat resulting from 2. and
to steal off
the production like. and
to generally not work and etc. with
the possible exception of bulgaria, romania had
the worst workforce of anywhere in europe, at moment 1990.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:37 spyked: from discussions with ppl who were in
their 20s-30s at
the
time, my understanding is
that most folks had no idea what
to expect from "new regime".
they were being fed with "transition phase" and other similar buzzwords
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902443 << actually, it was quite fucking obvious : 1.
the country has a large industrial base ; 2.
that is only useful
to
turn a dollar's worth of energy into about 20 cents worth of vandable product ; 3. while at
the
time supporting a population
that was 4. shockingly unskilled labour.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: anyway -- iliescu wasn't even particularly good, according
to anyone involved. he was however
the only one who wasn't shockingly fucked in
the head. but i mean, SHOCKINGLY.
mod6: Going
to also be adding in nickserv/chanserv, some other services. Will announce when it's back up for
testing. Cheers.
mod6: I'm going
to be rebuilding
the new irc server
tonight
to include NICKLENs of 24 chars (fleabag has a max of 16,
trinque also checked, an no current regiesterd nick in deedbot is >24),
TOPICLEN of 390 chars (for uberlong
topics/urls etc), and USERREGLENs of also 24.
mircea_popescu: if he lives
to be 90, crin antonescu will have recreated quintus almost identically.
mircea_popescu: this is amply illustrated in
the recent derpage re m i quintus. because ~he died very old~ everyone was falling over
themselves
to praise. but
the dood was a more shameful stain on pnl
than eg viorel catarama.
mircea_popescu: ie,
there's more substance in
the "n-ati mincat salam cu soia" rejection
than in
the "oh, i wear a bowtie and we're camping in piata universitatii" offer.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:36 diana_coman: presumably
there again,
there was one chance and it was rejected because ratiu hadn't eaten salam cu soia; but
that's what if, no idea if again iliescu was presumably "the best available"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902442 << it does not seem
to me ion ratiu & co (coposu, a buncha other fossils) had any fucking clue as
to anything whatsoever. in a cool evaluation, actually worse
than
the "descurcati". ironically enough,
the objection as voiced is A LOT more substantial
than
the same group of dorks aforementioned, pompously pretending
themselves "the intellectual elite" and whatnot, wanted
to give credit
☝︎ mircea_popescu: the hole people continue
to give mp-wp a bad name i see.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 15:22 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902438 << just like
the other idiots. consider : if usg dissolved itself in 2001 instead of pretending
to a "war" of imagination, people would have ~regretted~ it. but as it stubbornly carried on for another 20 years, it's just as heavily hated at
the
top as conceivable, and in another decade
they'll be shot in
the street retributively, for having been part of it at all.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:46 asciilifeform: peasants quite logically dun want
to industrialize, it is elementarily misery in immediate
term
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:31 spyked: re
the above, nato reich did not advertise
that part in
their brochures. I suppose
the ones who previously waited "sa vina americanii" were very happy in 1990 because "can nao eat hot dog and hamburgers" (mcd wasn't even
the first of its kind in ro)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 15:09 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough,
this
thing runs right into
the institution of
the harem (guess what alfie -- institution
that DIDNT have all individuals leave!) because master's opting for idiocy is ~required~ on occasion. you can very much fail
through being
too reliably
thinking, counterintuitively enough. or perhaps
not so counterintuitively.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 17:44 asciilifeform: a videoclip of a fairy
tale coming
true... ...they [americans] also wish
to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy,
taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily
transforms into hatred.
The leaders of
the sanitarium are easier for
the 'patient'
to understand, closer. He sees
their permissible pecadillos, and is pl
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 17:31 asciilifeform: 'Frightened of its own cannibalism during
the First, and, moreover,
the Second world wars. 'civilized' mankind dashed from
the 'hard'
to
the 'soft' mode of violence. (The deciding factors: 1.
the restraining influence of atomic weapons and 2.
the advent of new
technologies of production, which made possible an overfeeding of
the masses.) If
the essence of 'hard' violence consists in
the physical suppression of
a111: Logged on 2014-06-15 02:28 asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred
to view
the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring
the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman)
that Soviet legions, without anyone's help,
took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And
the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in
the name of what so-called
mircea_popescu shall have
to go
to
town, on hour+ delayed
trip, in preference of
telling driver
to
turn off engine already. so catch you all later as bit!
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 14:14 mircea_popescu:
the proofs for
this are many and plurious, but consider
the simple fact
that
there's no censorship or repression of ideas in roosevelt's socialism.
mircea_popescu: IF you dare separate
these
two, just as soon as something happens you're up sheet crick.
mircea_popescu: anyway, kinda why
the insistence on "republic is political -- you can't just do
tech
thing" etc. and why dual court-and-manor function of lord. and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i couldn't argue well
that it ~wasn't~
the same attempt.