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diana_coman: perhaps better stated as "anything you actually need"
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: you mean as a direct application of the previous one gets better at same rate no matter what choice they make?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, there's a group of people / cult that keep pushing this angle whereby kids can learn any skill or trade they want, and all that bla bla. there is ~some~ empirical support for their theory, tjough not nearly as much as they like to pretend.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do this clearly defined X here; something defined externally to the subject since "you can do anything" aka nothing to do with "you" as there is no difference between one you or another
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:39 mp_en_viaje: but at the root of the becoming, in those who do become something, is the problem of perceived vulnerability. there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert", simply, some kids are afraid, and thus seek outside ; some kids are too dumb to be afraid, and thus spend a lot of time in intricacy.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje's hypothesis, like other 'freudisms', is 1 of those 'simple and clean' items that stands for just so long as you throw out the contradictory inputs. e.g. folx like that same newton, heaviside, tesla, etc who in so far as anyone knows, couldn't even get their cocks to stand on demand, yet still somehow added up to something, despite not fitting mp_en_viaje's [conception of ubermensch][http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-22#1915 ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: also explains the empirical support (such as it is) of the "you can do anything" crowd.
mp_en_viaje: squirrel, eys. animals, as oft discussed here, make for some excellent scientists. both your raccoons and my jar-captive mouse etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems unlikely. the sort of fellow never surrenders, there's this deeply inborn sentiment of invulnerability burning deep in the technomoron. more likely, they're taking it as a "challenge accepted", came up with who knows what ratty, nigger-rigged paliatives.
mp_en_viaje: 3. there is no such thing as "a personality" ; 4. what passes for any individual human's personality is the result of a markov process : certain strategies, once made, increase the choosers' skill, thereby increasing the probability of the same strategies being deployed in the future. thus, properly speaking, a list of strategy-skilllevel would completely describe (in the sense of predictability) the individual
mp_en_viaje: 1. there is no such thing as intelligence ; 2. the humanities-divinities divide, however redefined (whether you call divinities "natural sciences" or "peri-physeios" or "stem" or whatever else) do not translate a difference in degree of brain function, but merely different patterns of behaviour ;
diana_coman: as with the deciding factor for young researcher's lifetime: it is even true for current "research" , sure but...
diana_coman: as long as it's all about "words", it just about amounts to that in all cases, yes; it can't amount to anything else anyway, since it's always something else, as convenient basically.
mp_en_viaje: "just as innate as homosexuality" "butt ofcourse"
mp_en_viaje: yes, in and of themselves, of course they are. all natural numbers are equally natural as such. just, nobody tends to ever pick 11103048503480534588333
diana_coman: yes, but both choices are as natural as they get
diana_coman: quite; part of why I don't get it: the former examtake so it's not like they are actually any more reality-anchored as far as I can see
diana_coman: i.e. this bunch will do as told, this bunch won't do as told? are they manageable or aren't they?
mp_en_viaje: perhaps better phrased as "associates no meaning to existence"
diana_coman: I suspect there is, but - as usual, I should say - not what it's nowadays "meant" by the terms; pretty much the usual capture-words-and-rend-them-meaningless as with love and everything else; a misnomer at best.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i did say " there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert"" as my only reference to the terms.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 14:39 mp_en_viaje: but at the root of the becoming, in those who do become something, is the problem of perceived vulnerability. there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert", simply, some kids are afraid, and thus seek outside ; some kids are too dumb to be afraid, and thus spend a lot of time in intricacy.
asciilifeform: the same folx today 'go to engineer school' as became shoemakers in earlier times.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
mp_en_viaje: but at the root of the becoming, in those who do become something, is the problem of perceived vulnerability. there's no such thing as "introvert" or "extrovert", simply, some kids are afraid, and thus seek outside ; some kids are too dumb to be afraid, and thus spend a lot of time in intricacy. ☟︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: people keep heewing and hawing about "stem fields" and "intelligence". but neither correlates with reality. intelligence is immaterial, and the only meaningful definition of "stem fields" is after the fact -- "those fields which tend to attract technomorons, defined as those 5 yos who do not play well with others and think themselves invulnerable"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems unlikely. the sort of fellow never surrenders, there's this deeply inborn sentiment of invulnerability burning deep in the technomoron. more likely, they're taking it as a "challenge accepted", came up with who knows what ratty, nigger-rigged paliatives. ☟︎
stjohn_piano_2: in future, this will become easier for established identities, as i work out how to automate parts of the process.
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: but why such high-bar for what is meant as a public-facing i.e. by definition wider-public-interaction thing anyway?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 14:50 diana_coman: moreover, while it is doable (like ~anything else really), it's hard to really see the reason to *choose* to do it when one hasn't yet been sucked into it ; and stjohn_piano_2 strikes me as trying to NOT get sucked into it.
mp_en_viaje: if not, might as well, has to my knowledge best cinematic representation of the approach.
mp_en_viaje: it doesn't work nearly as well in pretty much any other field. excepting, perhaps, chicken theft, which is why it's called gypsy flirting. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: as long as it satisfies them and doesn't get in my way...
mp_en_viaje: for as long as they don't pompously move into attempts at "governance", or in whatever other way forget their place, who can deny peacible coloveks the quiet enjoyment of their aftertea dreamtime ?
a111: Logged on 2014-03-18 02:20 ninjashogun: I'm Robert, as I mentioned. I hadn't talked to you guys before.
mp_en_viaje: let's not get over ourselves here. happy meal is still $2 in budapest, hu as in budapest, txt.
asciilifeform: interesting. i had him pegged firmly as a classic ameritard
mp_en_viaje: also "purchased hacks", such as you know, bruteforcing passwords.
asciilifeform sadly does not. tho iirc you can sometimes join-thread and get eggog as if it were from single-threaded proggy
mp_en_viaje: with the added shame, of course, that james a donald hasn't, five years later, yet fulfilled ~his obligations~, natural as well as legal, to that piece.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-21 00:28 mp_en_viaje: 1980s ro complained that "poor quality", as in, "ceausescu puts soy in salami, chickory in coffee and corn flakes in chocolate". yet 2010s ro paid extra for outside terms, and the middle term item of hipster interest.
mp_en_viaje: as long as vanity is catered to, turns out mooman can suffer anything.
mp_en_viaje: 1980s ro complained that "poor quality", as in, "ceausescu puts soy in salami, chickory in coffee and corn flakes in chocolate". yet 2010s ro paid extra for outside terms, and the middle term item of hipster interest. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:51 asciilifeform: 'sausage emigre' is stock term from rusphere , there folx chronically cited '50 types of sausage' as 'first impressions from new york' etc
BingoBoingo: On many of them today it is the only thing above the fold. Derps derping as analysis!
a111: Logged on 2019-05-20 14:46 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the inevitable association in my head re subj , is how in national museum of natural history in washington, there was at one point a coin-operated thing that 'see yourself as chimpanzee' .
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-20#1914735 - lolz, low and old tech! but yes, essentially the same thing, "see yourself as..." ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the inevitable association in my head re subj , is how in national museum of natural history in washington, there was at one point a coin-operated thing that 'see yourself as chimpanzee' . ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: it's altogether about replacing precious cuntlet as-she-is with a virtual imago that's more in line with her self-expectations.
asciilifeform subscribed for coupla yrs nao; seems to be the only 1 that worx in orcistans (as modem) at 0 extra cost. and overall 'cheap & angry'
mp_en_viaje: this is the cornerstone of survival : the adversative relationship. as long as you know you're there to steal, you measure how much you steal, and you get out on some sort of time horizon, you may survive. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: whaack, in summary, it's application of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/ ; "if you're not rich, pretending to be agent of imperial morons so as to separate them from their earthly goods is time-honored strategy"
trinque: and meanwhile maybe the fucking infects him, takes him early, as e.g. Framedragger, g_l, others
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
a111: Logged on 2019-05-18 07:48 mp_en_viaje: in which context, the way http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914461 rather reads to me is the direct converse, "most idiots wallow in their filth". this is even true, but i happen to be a zealot in the following sense : i do not admit any sort of proof can ever be brought so as to show the bad preferable to the good.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-18#1914634 << in same vein, i think, as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658461 thrd ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-18 08:10 mp_en_viaje: digestion never produced anything worth the mention. it's true that it can not be skipped, in the quest to "higher expression", but that's also as far as it goes.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-18 07:42 mp_en_viaje: it's win-win, see : the herd can "plausibly-deniably" claim to be watching "something cool". as far as every moomoo in the herd is concerned, they're not a buncha lamers. heck, they're almost cool, they sure as fuck watch true drama, where heroes die (sometime)!
diana_coman: for all the good that accurate prediction (and the necessary clear and deep enough understanding of the matter) ever did as it were, esp re outcome.
mp_en_viaje: extremely difficult to dismiss a) text of b) clear ideological tendency which c) nevertheless makes statements as of the future d) at some time in the past which e) were borne by historical flow.
mp_en_viaje: in other obscura : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Imper-Barbar.jpg ; attempt at a map of "romania" as defined by stubborn traditionalism ; eminently excluding most of present day state of romania ; suspicious because over-centered on the somewhat arbitrary cutoff in 7-800ad. in practical terms surface extends today WAY past traditiona; mures-nistru space ; in the ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: digestion never produced anything worth the mention. it's true that it can not be skipped, in the quest to "higher expression", but that's also as far as it goes. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: certainly b is time-weak -- a body as humongous as the empire of the billion white men, built over millenia with great care, is quite capable of rotting for longer than a lifetime. fuck, it has in point of fact been rotting for longer than a lifetime, a few times over, even! both theoreticaly and from direct historical record it's clear enough : b is quite time-weak.
mp_en_viaje: stated by me, it sounds like a "no brainer", but it is in fact zealotry like any other : obviously "as a matter of definition" the good is better than the bad hurr durr ; the hidden coda is that i also hold these to be ~knowable~. suddenly, it's not so directly obvious.
mp_en_viaje: in which context, the way http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914461 rather reads to me is the direct converse, "most idiots wallow in their filth". this is even true, but i happen to be a zealot in the following sense : i do not admit any sort of proof can ever be brought so as to show the bad preferable to the good. ☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: it's win-win, see : the herd can "plausibly-deniably" claim to be watching "something cool". as far as every moomoo in the herd is concerned, they're not a buncha lamers. heck, they're almost cool, they sure as fuck watch true drama, where heroes die (sometime)! ☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914457 << rather, a holes a hole. no doubt makes a difference to prisoners themselves, as well as to professional prisoner herders, what everyone's in for. ☝︎
asciilifeform: aa in this context 'market' as an artificial object, of civilized life, like 'plumbing', vs. merely the set of all possible interactions (incl. 'dumping', burning down competitor, etc. ) ?
asciilifeform is to same degree 'market expert' as 'fighter pilot'. but does know this basic.
mp_en_viaje: not even a matter of predictable (as in, will be defeated in future). it happens to attempt to go agains tthe specific gradient of what the whole system does. market ~altogether exists~ so as to close the 0-infinity gap
asciilifeform: as in the plant
mp_en_viaje: this is the strategy of blondy : the wildest possible edge of "40Gs" as a price would be if the G's were those found in Kellog's. to ~insure herself against the maximum loss where that's what the yactually were~, she proceeds to cut them out, and see.
asciilifeform: ( orig. iirc persia, 'to idiot, i gave an axe, so he would cut some wood; but went instead to mosque, the door he smashed best as he could' )
asciilifeform: right. so per this extended model, even tho on paper broker 'breaks even', he is still chump, as e.g. lives in reich where usg can steal his brick castle on a whim
mp_en_viaje: where you live makes no difference!!! for as long as "the job" is something which does not pay enough to buy ~house~, THEREFORE you pay to go. wherever you live, whatever your conditions.
asciilifeform: there was 0 in orig thrd re genuine vs scam, read entirely as 'is yer 'job' in fact paying, or do you pay to go to it'
asciilifeform: false as in 'could ride, idjit' or false in re 'toy'
asciilifeform: i read orig thrd as 'yer gulag dun even cover cost of barrack, they make you pay for barrack' but difficult to argue with 'scam house, scam job, and breathe scam air also', all of it is entirely tru
mp_en_viaje: yes.but cost ~of one of the actual houses~. NOT ~of such a hole as plebes might inhabit~
mod6: I've taken notes, I'll write up something on my blog as soon as I can. Just wanted to share the progress here. Obv. bunch more testing, etc.
asciilifeform: verily it sounds as nutty as it was, but they were hoping to, believe or not, 'live off writing books'. in usa, no less.
asciilifeform: 'cs education' is, believe, 9000x easier, than to try an' escape reich as old man
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 13:06 stjohn_piano_2: this led to: multi-author, every article is signed (optionally by the author as well), articles are in a linear order (hence "103"), unalterability means that additional authors can trust that the owner can't sabotage their work / code.
diana_coman: moreover, while it is doable (like ~anything else really), it's hard to really see the reason to *choose* to do it when one hasn't yet been sucked into it ; and stjohn_piano_2 strikes me as trying to NOT get sucked into it. ☟︎
stjohn_piano_2: re how/why: due to rsi (repetitive strain injury), i currently run at 40-50% text production capacity, if i type slowly and steadily, with breaks. this is up from 0.1% capacity two years ago. trying to respond in real-time, as i did yesterday, is too high a rate for me to keep up.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 20:17 diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re programming otherwise, there's eulora with a shit-ton of interesting stuff to do but there like ~anywhere, it's always about digging deeper rather than looking wider as it were
stjohn_piano_2: this led to: multi-author, every article is signed (optionally by the author as well), articles are in a linear order (hence "103"), unalterability means that additional authors can trust that the owner can't sabotage their work / code. ☟︎
asciilifeform: for so long as it's < the typical plane ticket, tourists will prolly still pony up
asciilifeform: ( just as argentina stopped, lol )
mp_en_viaje: rather, very narrow pool. as in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913620 ☝︎
asciilifeform: nicoleci: the 'connections' wank was hilarious. e.g. asciilifeform had generals, admirals, etc. as 'connections'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a pretty standard, as they go, 'indian code'
asciilifeform: so possibly framed as this, on the derp end
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there in fact are trojans which post spam to this & other heathen pits as 'updates'
asciilifeform: nicoleci, mp_en_viaje : i have possible piece for this puzzler : asciilifeform's old notes suggest that this particular heathen pit structures text for censors as 'patch' deltas
asciilifeform: thought so, given as not mentioned in log for a while nao
mp_en_viaje: the question as to WHY " They couldn’t even get real Africans for the parts. " is amusingly left unaddressed.
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re programming otherwise, there's eulora with a shit-ton of interesting stuff to do but there like ~anywhere, it's always about digging deeper rather than looking wider as it were ☟︎
diana_coman: heh, as I was reading the log, I was wondering if you were trying there the right OTP or someone else's
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913654 << pattern-matched as "ah, here is OTP" ☝︎