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asciilifeform: rright and when no army, what then means embassy ?
mircea_popescu: it seems to me a ridoinculous chunk of nonsense, "embassy was never upgraded". tell you what -- an army is a group of men assembled to rectify the mistakes of diplomats. the only item more keenly in synch with technology is the embassy -- step ahead of military.
asciilifeform: or let's even recall that 'bitcoin embassy' mircea_popescu dug up
asciilifeform: embassy as i understand it, as concept , pre-dates not only pubkey but even telegraph , and was never fully upgraded , rly expects to operate on meat-to-meat ( and witness usg delightfully exploiting this, creats all kinds fake embassies , i went coupla yrs ago to , believe, tour of 'iraq embassy' , 100% usg.blue creation )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 18:09 asciilifeform: gotta wonder re the thought process. door clearly marked 'If you don't know where you are, you shouldn't be here.' eh .
mircea_popescu: rando schmucks drop in here every day, fail the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-27#1905146 test with flying colors, they could be fiat sovereign diplomatic core without skipping a bit. becauise the pretenders factually and experimentally verifiedly are quite that inept, yes. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: would the republic look much like a sovereign if that was the average practice ?
mircea_popescu: they just fucking googled, general purpose tool applied to particular task, 0 shits given.
mircea_popescu: what would you think of a lord who actually googled for your key ? didn't have it in keyriong, something like wot.deedbot DIDNT EVEN EXIST
mircea_popescu: lassmates' phone numbers as a first step to successful sexual congress, but not these dorks.
mircea_popescu: moeover, the 2nd function of embassy is to collect data. legally, not illegally, it's not the secret service, it's the diplomatic service. what confidence would you as a putative ivan groznii put in data flowing through your embassies when these sad concoctions were manned by idiots so fucking inept, they don't even have a black book with the phone numbers of ~their fucking colleagues~. every 15yo boy has a book with his c
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point of embassies flows from this, "we dun wanna lose taxable base through travel"
mircea_popescu: whereas the less they use it, the more the greek state could claim they're in fact greek merchants, and tax them instead.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary -- the more turkish merchants rely on this service of the turkish state through its embassy, the better for the turkish state, it can better convince them to pay taxes.
mircea_popescu: there is NO benefit for the turkish state to hide the endpoint of this.
mircea_popescu: that's what embassy does, if joe the turkish merchant is in greece, and he decides he wants to give moe the turkish merchant his ankara house to manage, the turkish embassy in greece takes some paper from him and sends it over.
mircea_popescu: embassy is 99% of the time support for local businessmen.
mircea_popescu: that;d be the consular section.
asciilifeform: where's the operative diff ? embassy is 99% of the time 'tech support' for immigration paper
mircea_popescu: this is the ~advertising~.
mircea_popescu: but this isn't tech support!
mircea_popescu: they gain exactly nothing from their failure to self-represent, exactly like a hidden mcdonalds does nothing to forward the aggenda of rooseveletism
asciilifeform: recall how ameri-corps run their 'tech support'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so you make it larger, wtf. this is like saying "if anyone who wanted a happy meal could get one, place would look like disneyworld":. the fucking point is for it to yes, do just that. entire existence of the fiat sovereigns is ~predicatged~ on people doing just this.
mircea_popescu: "why is telephone in an office it doesn't serve ?"
asciilifeform: i suspect that if all-comers could actually submit the paper , place would looke like sovok 'avir'
mircea_popescu: the item as encountered in practice is ~equivalent to the sovok era "telephone receiver locked in box"
mircea_popescu: yes lol! all they do is fuck with paperwork, literally their job is "endpoint of X supposed sovereign in Y supposed sovereign lands"
asciilifeform: or gotta 'unprincipled exception' to even ~begin~ to do the job
asciilifeform: rright but could do their job , if in fact findable 'like mcdonalds' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nevermind what i preferred, specifically. it is literally the extent of their job, to be found, this particular set. that's all they're for, like a mcdonalds.
asciilifeform: as plebe , asciilifeform would in fact prefer if they said up-front ' if yer mother didn't go to school with his majesty's , dun bother knocking ' , it'd waste less of his time
mircea_popescu: it's kinda mindblowing, at least at first. "srsly, this is how sheep world looks through sheep eyes ?! wow."
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 18:09 mircea_popescu: no markings are clear in modern democracy. it's written in the constitution : everyone is to be idemnified for all things they do not read.
asciilifeform: i.e. it's their answer to living in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-27#1905147 world ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i'm just amused at attempt to look at it from other side.
mircea_popescu: im not saying there's something wrong from my side, keks.
asciilifeform: ( and if 'but i'm mircea_popescu , why would i have to stand in queue' --guesswat , already didn't have to , eh. so where is the problem with the mechanism of why didn't have to ? )
asciilifeform: picture if had to stand in a queue of erry idjit who googled
asciilifeform: as for the diplomats , would mircea_popescu even prefer that 'allcomers' could actually find'em ?
asciilifeform: dodo is exactly the model
asciilifeform: at least far as the sheep are concerned , 'i aint been eaten yet, so wats the problem' etc
asciilifeform: i.e. how many are of these chix, vs how many did mircea_popescu eat
asciilifeform: all that's req'd is for there to be <1 cheeta for >1 battallion of ostrich
mircea_popescu: wtf, what sort of dodo brains are required for this nonsense to wash ?!
mircea_popescu: rather, the fact that the ostrich doesn't see the cheetah's a guarantee -- of the cheeta's inexistence.
mircea_popescu: somehow, magically, the fact that the cheetah sees the ostrich is not a guarantee of the ostrich's death.
mircea_popescu: "we don't know anything about you, and this ignorance enacts you into inexistence ; notwithstanding you know everything about us, this knowledge doesn't enact us into inexistence".
asciilifeform: while the actual nomenklatura has entirely working list for own use
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 20:59 asciilifeform: petent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whatever they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to
asciilifeform: i.e. it's part of the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-19#568248 structure ☝︎
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is it supposed to achieve, in these nitwits' brains ?!
asciilifeform: in this position ( as in the telco anecdote ) asciilifeform would simply suppose that the public facade is cheap camo , and has ~0 to do with the actual internal wot
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 17:59 asciilifeform: ( aaand of course they marked it as 'canonical answer' , for then google to auto-return, etc .. )
mircea_popescu: and at no fucking point does this drastic disparity bother the morons at all. i can tell you where any random leah lives, and what she last ate, or when she ate last, but then http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-28#1905769 as fucking if. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: talk about connectivity, right ? who heard of what and who knows what and "hurr durr, embassy but dunno phone numbers, not even of the other dorks in the same line from the same place" and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: her answer to "wtf ios wrong with you" was "well, i never heard of the others, so they don't exist" ; but the REASON that was the answer was that ~i~ knew who the fuck she was within two hours, because guess what, my mother of all people actually knew her.
asciilifeform: i suspect that if zimbabwe were offered to 'join europe' in the sense of 'get payola like greece' , would immediately join, noshit
mircea_popescu: but to put the lulz of the original http://trilema.com/2009/doua-curve/ in context : so i come back to romania cca 2007, and some chick is making a "top of romanians in online" which is fulla names i never saw before and contains nobody of the people atthe time i knew made and turrned the net.
mircea_popescu: aka "we don't want to BE europe, we just want to JOIN europe". that's what any retarded kid not belonging in school asks misfortunate teacher : how to cast fireballs irl, aka how to be rich while staying poor, aka how to appear without being and so forth.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-22 14:54 mircea_popescu: the fundamental argentinian-ness of the human mind, "oh, ok, this is what i get paid, now how could i move down what i gottaq do for it ?" really needs the british imperial "fuck you, you don't eat" as typified by lord newton.
mircea_popescu: it failed over the designated-white-devil's objection to throwing the curve as well as the owned pleb's objection that "they shouldn't have to do shoes every day". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-05 18:21 asciilifeform: stalin followed peter's 'colonization with the crown as sole european' model.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:36 mircea_popescu: but yes, ceausescu's imperialist plans were obviously going to fail by the time mid 70s turned around, and were well and thoroughly doomed in 1980.
mircea_popescu: i suppose qatar doesn'rt either -- white devils come to extract. in any case this is how it went back in ceausescu days. whole http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902161 reduces to "man attempted to turn romanians into the white devil" ☝︎
asciilifeform: entirely possib that if qatar did not have the brits show up to drill , would be still fucking camels nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my admittedly distant perch , seems that argentina is even further stage of retardation than qatar -- has all kindsa mineral extractables, but manages not even to qatar
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:54 BingoBoingo: Her cause can be reduced to that unyielding socialist faith. "It imagined it working, why isn't it?"
mircea_popescu: seems that there is in fact a "mentality of the idiot", and quite readily recognized, hence ready http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-28#1905630 recognitions. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:19 asciilifeform: historically, by sharp stick. at least in the case of what's ordinarily called lottery. cuz winning dun banish from the head the cockroaches that made'em play to begin with
mircea_popescu: poor people are poor people BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE, and wealth dun fix this.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in retrospect http://trilema.com/2016/petty-private-satisfactions/#footnote_0_67595 goes exceedinglky well with http://mocky.org/inshAllah/ ; being exactly the same thing and self-evidently BEFORE the "success". ie, the quatari aren't thus ruined by their windfall -- their pre-existing mental cockroaches are merely evinced by the windfall, but absent that they'd have the same "mental processes", as argentines in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reich is just about at the stage where 'whaddayamean, butter, says right on the jar' 'it's fulla liquishit' 'that's what is butter'
asciilifeform: they're exactly == to the angel carvings on that telco thing
asciilifeform: ( and iirc mircea_popescu made case that not them either )
asciilifeform: who ( outside of possib. thailand ? ) has even quasi-working set of royals anymoar
asciilifeform: a la brits, swedes, jp , tourist showpieces
asciilifeform: aa 1 of those
mircea_popescu: royal fambly, supposedly. in the sense netherlands is a sovereign, or embassies of these papie mache constructions exist.
asciilifeform: so thing lies fallow.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 16:40 asciilifeform: oblig : 'Всіх панів до ’дної ями, Буржуїв за буржуями Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!'(tm)(r)(pavlo tichina)(ukr)
asciilifeform: based on my naked eye survey of the grounds, the mains transformers could not actually support 'adult sized' colo. and usg dun like small colos, they want http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904728 , 'all the bodies in 1 hole', so to easier 'we will we will beat' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Db9ebU8VQAEksT4.jpg << item. wtf is that, the local supermarket manager and his wife ?
asciilifeform: what copper tel. wire still exists in the town, terminates there
asciilifeform: thing was/is 1 of the major local landmarks, not only in sheer mass but in clear 'vhs era' provenance, what with brick and marble facade with little angel frescoes etc
asciilifeform: but there it was, as opaque as anyffin in eltsin's ru
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ownership of telcoisms in usa also nominally matter of official record, at least since at&t divestiture
asciilifeform: fwiw thing, from what can be seen through the windows ( in those days built with , believe, windows.. ) largely (but not entirely) empty.
mircea_popescu: which is quite substantially different from matters eminently of record, such as "who are, truly, the intended and delcared diplomatic endpoints of so and so pretend-sovereign"
asciilifeform: naturally not, there wasn't a money-takin' hole that could be gotten to with naked eye.
mircea_popescu: they lie. simply not open to public.
asciilifeform: 'we never heard of this thing'
mircea_popescu: because at the very least, when alf goes to meet bingoboingo, he doesn't start yelling at airport.
asciilifeform: called up the $monopoly whose plaquard was on the side of bldg. after 4 hrs of phone tag, 'we sold it to $co-nobody-heard-of, it aint ours'
mircea_popescu: and then these things flatter themselves with (purely hallucinated) statehood. yet in any practical sense, the troop of retards posing as "reigning house" of the netherlands (have you seen them btw ?) is sitting atop something infinitely less statal than this here republic.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform found out that the local copper telco bldg ( a princely 1950s fortress-like thing, with 2 metre-thick walls , diesels, 8 stories of space , etc ) was -- like most similars -- nao a dc colo. so went, naively, to try to price a rack ;
mircea_popescu: i actually had to fall back on my own secret service background to extract through THAT AVENUE the information that she needed in such a packaging and under such wot signaturs as i could trust, because god fucking help me if she was gonna send shit to random endpoints "culled from the www"
mircea_popescu: can you believe this ?
mircea_popescu: no such thing, chick was googling, discovering conflicting information on random webpages neglected for who knows how many years...
mircea_popescu: these two countries are not mere neighbours, nor mere allies, but part together of a fucking compact! and yet, the consul has no notion of his correspondents, nor even is their administration advanced enough to provide its diplomats with that most basic tool of all : a fucking list of names and contact details of the ALLIES!!! representatitves.