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mircea_popescu: soldier to be able to effectively shoot enemy ; to achieve this goal we've provided some .45 caliber bullets, an array of nato-chambered rifles and a copy of alf's favourite panzer manual." holy fuck who thinks like this!
mircea_popescu: if "hey doods, we're making a major fucking design change for these reasons" doesn't get prominently communicated, then what the fuck does ? "girls can code" !?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787272 << and maybe they never said anything about this anywhere nor is there anyone in charge of the project i could ask and he could point me to the log line nor anything else. bloody fucking hell. maybe. maybe i fucked their mothers and they never told me they got caught, and now i have a bunch of idiotic sons with congenital clap. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf wtf is a lytdybr anyway ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( could expand, but imho naggum beat the subject to a very satisfying death )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. anyway, to summarize : some idiot (from argentina -- and you should have seen his overwhelmed, $10 an hour cafeteria worker expression when the herd of pubescent latinas pinned him against the wall) and some other idiot (luis whatever, the director) COPIED THE STRING "bram stoker's dracula" from a coppola production, unaware of either coppola or stoker, or even the MEANING of the ' possesive convention.
asciilifeform: a 'young koschei' is a ridiculous notion. like dry mermaid.
mircea_popescu: the lead was a YOUNG man. whereas stoker's dracula is fundamentally the old guy.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:41 asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 16:13 mircea_popescu: (this team-up disparity, incidentally, can readily be explained in republican terms ; it all revolves around http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ -- specifically, thinking people need a much larger sunken cost to evaluate their choices and come to the correct conclusion they got none. this is a lot more evident to idiots. as this disparity flows from the definitions of terms...)
mircea_popescu: phf back upstack, the argument can be brought that lisp failing to standardize [the only item that actually needed it] the ffi is actually why lisp failed ; both as a standard and as a technical solution.
mircea_popescu: evidently "entropy" requires, conceptually, a socket. a file is thje opposite of this, and the opposition is rendered by the word "specifically". a socket and a file differ in that files have lengths, sockets have widths.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lot of interfacing problems are actually exposed by ave1 's comment above, which could also be read in the general form of "hey, the fundamental problem of electric communications (ie, how to make file and socket work together) is STILL unsolved".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous to 'hong kong' algo would be (brace yerself) separate processes for ada and c-crapolade, connected via ipc (under a unixlike, prolly 'domainsocket'). because otherwise, they live in same process, and if c-crapolade is entrusted with making e.g. a valid adastring, it can lie about the length and hose the ada routine, or simply fandango over address space as c-crapolade is wont to, and so forth. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "you can only talk to orc in barbar" problem was traditionally resolved through "extrateritoriality", ie make a base and shoot the orcs that fail to grok what perimeter means.
mircea_popescu: but why can't you just have a tolkienring class, in c, that spits out proper data ?
phf: i think i'll write it up separately, because i like the approach. you have a generic package pointers, that you specialize with C types, like Interfaces.C.Pointers (Index => size_t, Element => char, Element_Array => char_array), and then you do explicit pointer arithmetic using procedures on that.
mircea_popescu: i thought that kitty item is a bot at first, which is why i said hi. it's a woman.
asciilifeform: holyfuq mircea_popescu , they have a +v chan ?! didja write'em their bot ?
mircea_popescu: jesus that was a spelunking exercise, finding that log.
asciilifeform read the log just nao, and can't quite figure out whether ave1 was attempting to implement a mechanism similar to asciilifeform's ch8 ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175 ) or something entirely else
mircea_popescu: ave1 is your dancing around the entropy problem with files etc driven by the fact you don't have a fg, incidentally ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: we will evidently have a ffa-based, canonical gpg replacement. EVENTUALLY. until such an eventually, i don't feel so great recommending anyone gpg (or, heavens help us, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774477 -- just as i had to do, and recently). so a drop-in, eucrypt-based, "good enough" item is more than useful. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 14:38 ave1: I've started on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, in Ada code and now I'm debating if I shouldn't just move the code to C as the eucrypt interface is C. But then maybe eucrypt will move to FFA someday in the future and Ada will be a benifit. (Working on code with lot's of C calls in Ada is not nice...)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787224 << i don't expect eucrypt will ever move to ffa. this is in no sense a disidence, or any negative comment on ffa whatsoever. they are intended and designed as very different usecase solutions -- note the speed differential incumbent. eucrypt works as a "good enough" item, it principally intends to support a game, and same-level crypto needs. it's consequently to be light, fast, and ~r ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (this team-up disparity, incidentally, can readily be explained in republican terms ; it all revolves around http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ -- specifically, thinking people need a much larger sunken cost to evaluate their choices and come to the correct conclusion they got none. this is a lot more evident to idiots. as this disparity flows from the definitions of terms...) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: whole fucking IDEA of a kernel was exactly this, "fuck you $vendor, if you need a whole programming language to init your pos peripheral YOU support it ; we'll just grin from the sidelines while the marketplace drives your inanity out of itself".
mircea_popescu: it is not an idle comment to observe that the universalist nature of pantsuitism manifests here exactly as everywhere -- their sad, broken cargocultish tech-ersatz does exactly what their sad, broken fake of an economy etc : rolls up the small costs into a larger one to be paid "in the future", which to them is a term of art specifically meaning never.
mircea_popescu: this a) would be actually simpler, in engineering terms, than the other possible approach your mind immediately ran to (simple, here, is a term of art -- it includes all costs, maintenance, readability, etc) ; and b) it keeps complexity where complexity belongs, which is to say upon the shoulders of the thing that wanted it in the first place.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 14:20 ave1: I want to use a single "entropy" file.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787216 << it seems rather, that first you should evaluate the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787207 and see if indeed it makes sense, or it's just the proverbial "first notion that formed in head upon quarter seccond's apprehension of $item" ; if indeed it is needed, legitimately, then the next step is to make a file handler that eats your file as you want it on one hand and emulates fg ☝︎☝︎☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: trouble with the future is that it is...the future; I'd have gladly avoided C all together but unfortunately mpi is in C and then eulora relies on a lot of C code still
a111: Logged on 2018-02-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ave1 you should ; also read through the eucrypt thing, ima (for instance) need someone to package it into a cmd line gpg replacement as soon as next wek.
ave1: I've started on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498, in Ada code and now I'm debating if I shouldn't just move the code to C as the eucrypt interface is C. But then maybe eucrypt will move to FFA someday in the future and Ada will be a benifit. (Working on code with lot's of C calls in Ada is not nice...) ☝︎☟︎
diana_coman: for completeness: there is in fact a performance penalty for opening/closing the entropy source repeatedly, so from this point of view yes, you'd want it open and reused; that being said, it's not a massive penalty and atm I can live with it
diana_coman: you can certainly do it the way you describe - I don't see a hard reason against it if you are all right with passing the handle around/keeping track of it everywhere; other than that, the functionality itself should be fine
ave1: So a pregenerated bag with bytes
ave1: I want to use a single "entropy" file. ☟︎
ave1: Yes, I understand that part. I'm looking at 'get_random_prime'. Which will be called twice to generate a key-pair.
mircea_popescu: aand in other lulz, a particularly dedicated scanner : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CPKIF/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess nothing in the world is harder than fucking groking the http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ lesson. especially when one's dedicated his life to not ever groking it.
asciilifeform: hm i thought fetlife was the usual 'ad-supported' 'phree' crapola, rather than a pay www
mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is not a big deal at all, considering most any shop will sell you preactivated ones nqa anyway.
mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that only way is utterly and most pointedly NOT http://trilema.com/2013/how-lord-lentil-became-a-thing/#selection-363.125-363.223 ; and you, as well as everyone, can forthwith consider the admin asked you to stop.
mircea_popescu: i'm certainly not puting the "this is how it is" imprimatur on some training mock-up of v implemented by some new kid. and in general enough with this burning of steps in a hollow quest for equality, you're not phf, and there is ONLY ONE WAY to become phf.
mircea_popescu: esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ? ☟︎
esthlos: I can take a stab at it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
esthlos: phf (or anyone else): is there a vpatch I can look at with the new format described here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ? ☝︎
esthlos: hi there all, sorry for going awol. I've been following the logs but busy with a new job
BingoBoingo: ^ And now this year appears to be getting a very 2012 feel as the ghost of Amir's anti-credibility campaign ramps up
mircea_popescu: leading-edge! it's a leading-edge!
mircea_popescu: "ARTIQ (Advanced Real-Time Infrastructure for Quantum physics) is a leading-edge"
mircea_popescu: aha. they have a (dead) freenode chan.
mircea_popescu: apparently this is a thing.
asciilifeform: ( in lattice's 'ice', the elements are homogeneous, so it was a nonproblem )
asciilifeform: the seekrit tricky bit , is that if you can't compute an ~exact~ delay path, in nsec, between any point 'a' and 'b' in the fabric, yer tool is ~useless
nonlinear: Yes, that seems about right from what I have seen so far. Exploration is a good term, and enjoyable.
mircea_popescu: though sense is usually an emergent property of half a year to a year's exploration
nonlinear: Oh, Hi mircea_popescu just stumbled in here, and reading trilema.com to get a sense
asciilifeform remembers a lengthy picolisp thread, but either forgot or did not know , that it had own chan
mircea_popescu is engaged in a review of freenode channels, article to follow.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
a111: Logged on 2018-03-06 20:59 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/
mircea_popescu: now... is this a reference or ain't it ?
mircea_popescu: and for the crit lit / media experts, here's a conundrum : cool it carol, easily the best movie made in the 70s and one of the best movies ever, came out 1970. in 1971, "plaza suite" featuring matthau and various women has a segment dedicated to this anti-carol (mimsy), a dumb murican priss who locks herself in bathroom on her wedding day. the clou of the entire production is made into some schmuck (almost as ugly as rob askw
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/ ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, one small herd of boxes on its way here. Hopefully this time we've assembled the men and talents necessary to secure and sustain a digital space from which to serve the notices of hanging.
mircea_popescu: 2017-02-04 23:23 ec changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a 𝕯𝖊𝖓 𝖔𝖋 𝕯𝖊𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖉 𝕯𝖆𝖒𝖘𝖊𝖑𝖘 slash s͔̞u͕͙p͙͓e̜̺r̼̦i̼̜o̖̬r̙̙ c̝͉ụ̧͘ḷ̡͙ţ͓̀ || #ELLIOTTCABLE is not about ELLIOTTCABLE
BingoBoingo: Why no outrage for the poor suffering Sergeant who had to convincingly pretend enthusiasm when banging it out with a bag old enough that she had a mid-20's adult son die from terminal reddit/opiods last year.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to word (how much is needed to compose a complete address) and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:44 mircea_popescu: but not on "byte" meaning anything other than what it does, which is to say... "how much the machine takes in at a time"
mircea_popescu: leftover from a day when http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760685 was a lot clearer. ☝︎
asciilifeform has at least a mild hint of bureaucracy flavour associated in head with 'octet' -- the word is mandatory in rfc txt's
mircea_popescu: i expect porn is very much going the way of fashion, or academia : first, faggots get a hold of it, then... nobody would touch it with a ten foot pole.
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/mp-wp-a-genesis/ << ave1 - MP-WP, a genesis
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-pragma-inline_always-a-report/ << ave1 - GNAT and Pragma Inline_Always: A report
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-a-signature/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL, now with a signature
mircea_popescu: in other sad news, holy shit the http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-january-2018-statement/ was utterly broken (and nobody said anything!!!) hence the delay with this month's report. will be publishing a restated version of the jan one too.
ave1: For example the zfp lib is not really written (at this moment) for a C main program, so 'adafinal' is missing.
ave1: After that, as it turns out, ada still produces some code which is not supported by the zfp lib. I fixed some of this, but this is very much a build - add some code - retry cycle and that will take some time.
ave1: diana_coman, I have a version that has both files, but not published yet. It is not hard to make, copy from the runtime dir the files: i-c.ads, i-c.adb (for Interfaces.C) and a-unccon.ads. Then edit i-c.ads and i-c.adb
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit diversity : there is a FIG melon in this country. it has... spikes.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, well, sanity comes a pound per tenton among bipedals.
diana_coman: so then getting something almost like a motorcycle but not quite and in any case as fast but pretending to be still a bike; sheesh
ben_vulpes: why not take a motorcycle on the bike track for that matter
diana_coman: I mean: get a motorcycle then, no?
diana_coman: what's a lipo?
ben_vulpes: gotta get into traffic if you have a death wish
ben_vulpes: there was a lot of fun unused industrial area along the river for quite some time that yielded all sorts of bikefun, but it's been largely sanitized at this point.
ben_vulpes: mountain biking was a weekend trip sort of thing
diana_coman: sort of the skiing of summer in that region I'd say; but to the point: cyclists are perfectly people but they don't ride alongside cars - why would one *want* to ride a bicycle among/between/alongside cars, it's nonsense quadrupled
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-05#1786939 <- uhm, hmm, dunno, in South Tyrol they have those great cycling tracks *not in the road of course, completely separate* and it's absolutely great for a day thing: get on bike, cycle up and down the Dolomites for some 2-3 hours, get to a lake, have a rest and a swim, go back in 45 minutes (mostly downhill, fun like hell), sleep like a log ☝︎
mod6: like a blue monday
mod6: it was a hunting job, but pretty excited we sourced that.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods; error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff); I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test.
phf: the release have been branched, and you press to two different heads if you want a sha or keccak version, but specifically for hanbot's purposes, sha vdiff is available, with the "no newline" issue fixed, as per http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak/#selection-95.221-99.40 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other news, nikki cardenas (kink.com bills her "skylar price" for some incomprehensible reason) has a great gangbang personality.