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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
that's what's going on!
mircea_popescu: "fuck you, go play angry birds.
this is for real people."
mircea_popescu: jam
tomorrow, nail
today, while we pretend jam
today nail
tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile you're looking for a meal
ticket because
the checks came.
ben_vulpes: to get "nice interactions" on mobile devices, your options are
to write objective c, java, or js.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude get
the fuck off, you know what % of us corps fail ? you know average lifespan ?
mircea_popescu: i'd flail
them alive, stuff
the skin and flail it again.
mircea_popescu: seriously, let
the dumbass
tech kids get away with
this stupid shit ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's beyong me how
the business people can be
this abandonware level stupid.
ben_vulpes: maybe
that data comes over
the wire on app boot up
ben_vulpes: maybe
there's an endpoint you can curl
to get your domain list
ben_vulpes: saas boss,
they show you what
they want
to show you
mircea_popescu: im going
to break into
their fucking servers just
to read my lousy domain list ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's
trying
to reason about
the browser shitstack
ben_vulpes: if it's weird data in
the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql
terminal.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many
things
that i could reproduce in
the production environment
that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production
that needs debugging
there, i run
the application in
the browser
to get it
to
the bad state, attach
to
the code running on
the server (however
that works for $turdlang), and inspect what
the browser is doing and how
the server responds.
mircea_popescu: suppose
the "data isn';t right". you know you load it somehow.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aaaah, other html pages showing
the same data
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot
the actual
tech people use"?
ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure it's crucial
to
the functioning of some AWESOME
tool
mircea_popescu: check
that stupid shit out,
they gotta have a ?v=garbage approach
to css because reddit does it and so
they gotta be professional.
mircea_popescu: that's built in a "standards" model or whatever. "it's called
TruDataAccess" or whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: in all my interactions with idiocy
to date (and
this is very banal and ancient idiocy, nothing novel here)
there's always a spigot
the actual
tech people use.
ben_vulpes: go find
the api client js file and read
through
that. if you're lucky enough
they factored
the js so cleanly
that you can find
the api endpoints.
mircea_popescu: uh. isn't
there a standard way you people do
this ? like, hm, how should i explain myself.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes either you're proposing it guesses
the data, or else it gets
the data from
the server.
ben_vulpes: read
the source, or run
the
thing and monitor its api calls.
ben_vulpes: "the deps" are
the rest of
the js and html
that
the
thing needs
to run
mircea_popescu: look, how do i cut
through
the chase, so
that i don't actually use
the js.
mircea_popescu: right, but in general, how do i just hook into
the datastream of
this bs.
ben_vulpes: server sez: "here's
the js
to run, here are
the deps, here's
the css, go
to
town"
ben_vulpes: very little html is sent over
the wire
ben_vulpes: okay well a js application contains
the state of user interaction with
the "app". when it *needs*
to
talk
to
the server, it makes api calls for data and
then renders
that or does calculations or whatever might need
to be done.
ben_vulpes: "dynamically generated pages" but generated in response
to a specific HTTP request.
mircea_popescu: " a javascript application
that stands on
the dom." makes no sense
to me.
ben_vulpes is
trying
to understand how
this is cgi
mircea_popescu: the dumbass cgi-in-javascript
thing still gets data somewhere.
mircea_popescu: so what, i'm
to buy an ipad
to get access
to my domains because namecheap went full retard ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't.
there are no urls,
there's a javascript application
that stands on
the dom.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know how one unwinds
this retarded bullshit into actual urls ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure
they are. meanwhile i'm buying a baseball bat and separately a rusty nail.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform:
the press algo must
then press all same-tree-level leaves for
the given leaf, correct?
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit. i can almost fucking hear it, buncha
tards
thinking
they're "corporate officers" sitting around a cheap glue-and-woodchips
table finished in plastic going "hey bill... i
think we're getting a great deal on
this website outsourcing stuff."
mircea_popescu: i just want all
these stupid faggots
to be raped, basically.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
that's a js app not a web page
ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform i notice
that none of
the "flow" implementations
to date have matching output, and
the "press" all depend
to one degree or another on
the inputs
to
the relevant "tsort" implementations,
they're not guaranteed
to "press"
the same
trees. non determinism at
this endpoint gives me
the willies, is
that stupid?
mircea_popescu: namecheap "upgraded" it's website. and it's been a nightmare ever since. now i can't even get a list of my fucking domains
the normal way. but lo and behold...
they have an "export as csv".
ben_vulpes: "socialist millionaires protocol",
too lol
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. how much do you want
to bet
that won't be on
the
test.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except no such
thing actually exists, so what "basics" and "primitives" ? suppose i hire solid state engineers, and want
them
to know
the basics such as cold fusion ?
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 01:02:07; mircea_popescu: what
the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed
to be.
ben_vulpes doesn't know how
this nugget failed
to make it into
the
turd
ben_vulpes: "pick another corner, dumbshits,
this one is mine."