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asciilifeform: i'ma feed it in when we run out of Framedraggerola

asciilifeform: incidentally, i have a collection of ~50k published shitrouter/etc privkeys here, that's been patiently waiting for the db to grow up

mircea_popescu: i wonder if it'll make a record lines day or not.

asciilifeform: oook unless i mistyped something ( can't be ruled out, pretty close to bed ) the troo fun should begin ~hr from nao.

asciilifeform: for nao i think i'ma put a 20 s. sleep b/w 'ticks'

asciilifeform: trinque: i unfortunately dun have a fast way of answering this riddle

mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss << i see 6:21 6:03 3:whatever.

asciilifeform: i inserted the delay mircea_popescu suggested, but imho this is not a troo pill

asciilifeform: ( and i have nfi what would be the effect of deepening it abruptly, in re deedbot, might cause chan barf )

asciilifeform: i suspect that 1s is too few

asciilifeform: i'ma have to make a moar hightech rss mechanism, with queuing etc

mircea_popescu: tbh i'm very happy to have this item back, i can now search for keys again!

asciilifeform: ( i have nfi whether anyone was holding out for the cured db; but will for the record note : the time -- has come. )

asciilifeform: i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle. ☟︎

trinque: I'll digest more and probably have more proposals for ya, but will get my hands into the code myself too, and we'll get a genesis of this put together.

esthlos: if you do so before friday, I can likely get a prototype by monday. otherwise it will be sometime the week after

trinque: I agree that this thing can get smaller, just not by pretending lisp is scheme. write it like scheme and we're all damend to learn your particular idiosyncracies.

esthlos: I might say, conceptual simplicity. It's possibly a holdover from my scheme origins, but I usually write whatever datastructures I need on my own as closures

esthlos: I was thinking of replacing the CLOS with records, or possibly just sexprs

trinque: don't get too excited; I've got plenty of feedback for you on how this is written

esthlos: esthlos-v doesn't touch on (a); I was indeed waiting for standardized philosophy file format. (b) I will test

mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall us discussing the matter of graphing and my saying "hang on, phf is about to write one then you can import it", but not worth spelunking for it right now.

esthlos: (so I assume)

esthlos: I'm fairly beginner, don't know many of the useful functions

esthlos: trinque: you can find my writeup at http://blog.esthlos.com/a-vtron/ . I recall you wanted to have the thing return sane data from ops instead of format barfage

a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:29 mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.

asciilifeform: the day aint far when the thing will be able to tell you , e.g., 'yer router is nsatronic', the minute you plug it in (i.e. realtime scan an' probe-against-db, no need to queue'em )

asciilifeform: ( the mixed-blessing of which will be to shorten the 'fuel tank' from 'months' to 'weeks' i suspect )

asciilifeform: later, i'ma add this to the eater

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile i made it do it ( not deployed to production yet, still in test.. )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm certain this is not something postgres can do.

mircea_popescu: "determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily" << fortunately, determination is not an elementary item, but can be further broken down and classified. there's the sort of determination resulting from narcissism, where it is simply fueled by the [perceived] cost of changing the other side, "what do you mean my model of sexuality and society is wrong, this'd mean i'd have to have a long talk with the woman in my hou

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807523 << This evening I will run through the last several months reports to check for any outstanding issues ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: determination is orthogonal to correctness, elementarily; and so i suspect that most folx's experience with inventors, should they have any, resembles this one, 'fella worked on perpetuum mobile under meth for 20yrs , then went broke, drank'

trinque: nah not in touch. told him he was among the worst leaders I'd ever labored under, and that was that.

asciilifeform: rright, i can picture this-much, but how did d00d's scheme get around the 'all-comers can make you spend 9000 cpu cycles whenever for the asking' problem.

asciilifeform: i admit to a little curiosity re what 'turn into distributed db' meant ( can query it ? who supplies the 10^9000 cpu cycles ..? )

spyked: from what I understood, he measured all of them by filming the keypress-to-screen latency with a high fps camera. though this begs the question of what even means "keypress registered" in case of software kbds. at least he put the touchscreens in another table.

asciilifeform: tho i wonder how he measured the bolix 3620; back when i had mine, it most certainly did not 'feel like' winblowz-levels of i/o lag

spyked: lobbes, in general nicks grouped under a user might inherit other properties (e.g. op privileges), but I'm not sure whether this has any utility for bots. I only used it as a very cheap way to get cloak for bots, though probably the correct approach would be to register a user per nick.

lobbes: I'll probably be splitting lobbesbot into several seperate bots over the coming months/year, so now I am curious

lobbes: Neato spyked. Though, I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever grouped nicks under a user via NickServ. Besides the cloaking, what other utility is there to grouping in this way?

spyked: given the growing number of args, I'd rather personally have them all be keyword args.

spyked: I've added the "user" slot as a keyword argument to highlight optionality, but not sure whether this is the right way to go about it.

spyked: current patch draft is at http://lmogo.xyz/v/patches/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch ; and sig http://lmogo.xyz/v/seals/ircbot-nickserv-auth-add-user-slot.vpatch.spyked.sig . I'm not very sure that my changes to make-ircbot are proper, so I am eager to hear your feedback

spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807007 <-- fwiw I've used the sha512 branch of vtools and will continue to until existing trees get reground with keccak. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 22:04 asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560740 , and there was a particular link some time in past yr which i now cannot find, where someone actually went and ~measured~ the reaction time delay of msdos, various winblowz boxen from past 20yr, crapple, bolix, etc etc and found exactly what i'd expect him to find )

ben_vulpes: pg "SSI" does this correctly afaik; would serve coherent versions of comments and article i believe.

ben_vulpes: my attention is on the original phuctorgenic goal of "i don't care about your concurrency controls, gimme whatever's in the page ritenao!"

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, consider the eminent case of apache serving mp-wp. the fact that at t1 i updated the article list and at t2 the db read the stale t0 version makes EXACTLY NO DIFFERENCE.

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:14 mircea_popescu: it really should be up to operator wtf, if i want to read dirty let me read dirty what sort of decision is this for designer to make.

ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2016-12-30#76508 << i'm still wrapping my head around dirty reads and how database concurrency implementation strategies affect the possibility; here's a breadcrumb on the trail http://www.interdb.jp/pg/pgsql05.html

ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-2#346916 << "On a system I'm testing on, in practice, the RNG just reads the DMI table and then, since the DMI table is way bigger than 64 bytes, immediately moves to crng_init==1 without using even a single sample of interrupt randomness."

mircea_popescu: the eastern/orthodox expression being "durerea-i ziditoare", ie, pain [builds] the kingdom of heaven

mircea_popescu: which is why ux is such a terrible field. it's caught in this fundamental tension, between moomoos "wanting" to stay moomoos on one hand, and "doctor, my eye hurts every time i take a sip of my coffee" on the other.

mircea_popescu: i suppose the correct construction is that he simply doesn't know what's going on. aanyways.

ben_vulpes: i can have the software written, by devoted historians i train myself or who've built a relationship upon delivery and savvy over years of wot relationships

ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: why would i give a shit when you seem dedicated to the penurious style that'll prevent you from ever delivering on the implications.

ben_vulpes: and i get the appeal of visionary supermandom but dude upcycling craptops with a hilarious gentoonotalisp is very shy of that mark

ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i gotta point out that precursors, arms and crack are *all* milkings.

gabriel_laddel: But adali? BB? The old ex-mit-ai-lab guy I met who now just tutors kids in math & DOESNT EVEN TEACH THEM LISP?! Or the other ex-symbolics people?

asciilifeform: i mean, tbf, i haven't tried doing things via the gabriel_laddel way, of yet.

gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform loper-os http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807481 is utterly revolutionary & I wouldn't dream of implying that. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: i've yet to see evidence of you doing either, so the objection cannot stand.

gabriel_laddel: I'd rather sell crack/arms/precursors than milk moocows.

ben_vulpes: which, make no mistake, is precisely what you're doing. pulling refuse from the usgstani fabrication pipeline and "oh dear sir or madam, this posey to spare your child from the plague i mean hailofbullets"

ben_vulpes: look i admire your determination but there's no leverage and no market anywhere to be seen; you could be patient, scraping down food credits and suffering now for what will be an entire IC two decades from now had ye the foresight to not waste your time picking rags

gabriel_laddel: *shrugs* I'm interested in the lispm. BTC is incidental. Interesting, but incidental. Have sold my absolutely-not-a-lispm in the past & plan to continue doing so in the future. Last time around I was homeless, couldn't get rides to meetups, no ebay account etc. This time around, not so much.

asciilifeform: i suspect , the man himself did not know, had own dr.morrell

mircea_popescu: i see.

gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu I got a stopgap for the time being.

gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform I quit

mircea_popescu: i thought lisp stuff for money is the province of a few remainder whitebeards in usg.missiles grandfathered contracts.

gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I've no problem with working in BTC, but you have to understand that when I say things like "no really, I've 1 computer, ~400 usd to my name and a package of camels" I really mean it.

gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807262 < Not sure why the land of untouchable females & stoners would be "my land", but I'm doing the same thing I always do. Work. FFS, the _point_ of drugs is to be _more_ productive, or to _learn something new_. ☝︎

mod6: Alright, I'm off. ni ni

mod6: I guess I need to noodle on this a while, and perhaps make a different example outside the context of trb.

mod6: I dunno, maybe i've forgotten the point of all of this.

asciilifeform: mno, 'crystal' is what i arbitrarily titled the tar-like format .

asciilifeform: but overall i think you grasp it.

mod6: I believe so, it does this: 1] It takes a press of v99. 2] Runs dir2txt.py on each dir, doing vdiffs of all the files. Stuffing output into monoblok. 3] Monoblok has 1 antecedent hash, 1 dependant hash, rest meta & source. 4] You load the monobloks (signed ofc) into a vtron, press them. They press into one giant file with metadata and source only. 5] one runs txt2dir.py on teh giant crystal to inflate univ

mod6: If I would have been more careful the first time, would have been 1.

asciilifeform: ( fwiw i specifically warned folx not to blow toomuch time on playing with subj )

mod6: I guess I just tripped up on some of the things. But, hey, sorry I didn't just do a report from jumpstreet.

asciilifeform: mod6: note, even tho the proggy ~could~ be used as-is, i doubt that anybody would want to; it is really demo of a potential frontend to be built into vtron .

mod6: Yeah, sorry, I didnt realize to grab all of your files from the email -- If I wouldn't have done that, my v would drop them on the floor as not-signed.

mod6: So, that was minor, had to download all your monobloks and seals from the email. That was all. Overall, I think in early april, I did this late at night and just didn't follow your steps as correctly as I should have.

mod6: You'll note that I did follow the steps as posted in the email, and for instance:

mod6: Simply because I didn't know that it was output to 'out/trb', and then I moved the dir to 'trb'. lol. So i tried to run the thing against a dir, not a crystal. Once I realized that, worked fine.

mod6: Next thing was that I got into some very small trouble with: ./txt2dir.py trb makefiles

mod6: The barf is actually in that log, there was a lot of those -- one for each vpatch. I should note though, my copy/paste may have thrown in some weird chars there, so just ignore that, that's not from your script, or my edits thereof.

mod6: I do have that binary for what it's worth.

mod6: which I've shown in my log paste above ^. The original one is pasted first, the one that I actually got to work, second.

mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html << the script in the body of this email needed updating (and I had forgot about this part from earlier this month) -- my corrections are basically somewhat subject to my directory setup, save these two edits:

mod6: However, I'd like to say that there were a few things that threw me off.

mircea_popescu: hey, i made no constraint of it.

asciilifeform: i had a cloth one back home, and did not relish to put on the 'recycled bottles' sold in uy

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what kit is needed i don't get it ?