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Mocky: ya know, for that kind of thing :)
asciilifeform: how's the gulag these days ?
asciilifeform: or... i sorta have entire www about this, so will stop here for nao.
asciilifeform: or, take the retardation common to all current pc os -- the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as disk cache , system as visible to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i could go on for literally a week and not even scratch the surface of this house of horrors.
asciilifeform: ditto unix 'signals', structured entirely around lack of a sane standardized tasking system
asciilifeform: ( the concept of 'memory protection', for instance, is entirely a product of the tardlang )
asciilifeform: the whole edifice of unix is structured around the retarded semantics of c.
asciilifeform: even positing pc iron and mircea_popescu's 'why not at least rewrite os in ada' , it isn't clear to me why you'd want to keep e.g. unix's retarded process model ( where process cannot , say, propagate an ada exception for sane eggog handling, but is stuck dying and returning numeric barf code ) if you do such thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: * basic thing as
asciilifeform: re gcc, the obv. 1st reaction 'so fucking make it all conform to standard' leads nowhere, you cannot write e.g. a device driver in 'standard c' , as it dun give you even such basic thing full bitwise control of struct
asciilifeform: observe that (despite considerable sweat) asciilifeform was not even able to write ffa , on gnat, 'using only what is standard'
asciilifeform: i.e. there is not and cannot be such a thing as a nontrivial c/cpp proggy that 'uses only what is in the standard'
asciilifeform: c lang 'standard' was such a sorry joke that this kinda thing is inevitable
asciilifeform: ( we know that a 15 y.o. kernel did build on tcc sans eggog, but afaik that's all that is currently known ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: bvt: as for tcc , i suspect ( but do not know for fact ) that good % of commonplace linux userland is married to gcc nonstandard knobs ☟︎
asciilifeform: bvt: as for c, i described in the prev. mp thread re the subj, it can certainly ~exist~ as a zoological specimen on sane iron, as it did on bolix. sorta how you can put cobol on yer box nao if you feel like it.,
asciilifeform: ( how to build it -- asciilifeform and many other people know ; how to ~pay~ for building it, presently no one knows )
asciilifeform: bvt: sane iron is not expected today or tomorrow
bvt: also, i was under impression that asciilifeform suggests to ditch C after getting sane iron ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 14:36 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909529 << the idea isn't to get tcc to compile ada. the idea is to destroy gcc -- cut the "useful compilation half" into an ada compiler ; cut the shitlands compilation half into a small weight something else. there is no republican future for gcc as a gcc in the foss / linus-stallman sense of the term.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 10:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909943 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist ; the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo"
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1909969 << that clarifies the issue, thanks. i got momentarily confused because imho cuntoo (as gentoo repo snapshot) is too large to pull off http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909621 - i see no way to replace gcc with tcc and 'rebuild world' without rewriting ebuilds/getting a ton of errors; but should be realistic with something smaller (which i plan to do). ☝︎☝︎
PeterL: proof-reading welcom, I included a link to the pdf in a footnote
asciilifeform: ( not a specific criticism of ^item, but rather the unfortunate reality of 'meat ocr' )
asciilifeform: PeterL: nifty, nao just needs somebody else to do it again and see if ya missed a plus for a minus somewhere, lol
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 23:03 asciilifeform: ^ and before mp asks, yes it's combo of manual typewriter and ink pen, and no it won't in a million years ocr, other than by meat ( and is largely schematics / waveforms anyway )
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909564 << speaking of meat-driven OCR, I de-pdf-ed the miller-rabin paper: http://peterl.xyz/2019/04/probabilistic-algorithm-for-testing-primality/ ☝︎☟︎
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08c-feedbot-iii.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot [iii]: the IRC bot
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/pantsuitist-loots-ngo-lobbying-to-get-un-job-gets-job-un-and-fucks-ngo-all-while-thinking-of-the-children/ << Qntra -- Pantsuitist Loots NGO Lobbying To Get UN Job, Gets Job UN And Fucks NGO All While Thinking Of The Children
BingoBoingo: In local news, derps *really* want to chase Petrobras out... Despite Bras having hydrocarbons and the derps not https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/blog-en-vivo-segui-las-novedades-sobre-el-control-obrero-en-montevideo-gas-201942584431
asciilifeform: e.g. an auto-installable cuntoo that runs on commonplace irons and includes working gnat, vtron, etc. would save massive amount of work, vs. current situation where 'oh you bought a new box? here's a buncha toothpicks and glue' ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 21:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm almost surprised you dun write it with http://www.loper-os.org/pub/podvig_radista.jpg terminal.
asciilifeform: ( and the approx answer is, defo not zero -- right nao the choices consist of ye olde unix and this ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: spyked: re earlier thrd, i suspect yer real question was, how much work ought one to put into keeping unix on life support.
asciilifeform: spyked: try https://archive.is/3bxUt .
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-here-i-sit/ << Trilema -- So here I sit...
mircea_popescu: who might you be then ?
mircea_popescu: if, in the flow of that work, we discover something important enough that it requires a change of direction significant enough to actually use a new name, it's still improper to say the work put into finding the something was either lost or "not put into ultimate product".
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 20:47 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << i grok this. the question is, how much work should go into cuntoo?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909943 << so far, "cuntoo" is the name we use for the republican os. this item will exist ; the question reduces to "how much work should i put into the framewire model of the future house". by this or some other name, all work we will ever put into tmsr os will go into wjat would currently be called "cuntoo" ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, trinque 's otp way the fuck smarter than gpg's ascii armor format, slavegirl reports. degree of magnitude faster wetware diode if one needn't handle the shift.
spyked: will keep on blogging, though. /me is looking forward to photo posts
spyked: notice: I will be out of town for cca 1 week starting tomorrow, so I'll have limited access to my keys and I might handle e.g. feedbot outages with some delay.
BingoBoingo: Apparently an African swine fever is ripping through China and killing their pork in positive local news.
BingoBoingo: In local news the courts are the only thing keeping natural gas running in the country. https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/justicia-prohibio-en-forma-definitiva-control-obrero-a-sindicato-del-gas-201942417033
asciilifeform: bvt: ha, i was quite certain i'd seen the fella before. turns out ~this~ was where.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 16:51 mp_en_viaje: strikes me as born-in-50s sorta guy tho.
bvt: though to my understanding he uses zeptobars photos at least sometimes (http://archive.is/pjqcH#selection-1139.1-1483.105 , http://archive.is/K1Efi#selection-3499.55-3503.154)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 16:49 mp_en_viaje: bvt, do not despair, even if these do not work out, they're still worth doing. depressing as it may be, at least we know, at least we do the homework, etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 16:51 asciilifeform: prolly the most valuable vlsi likbez i've found to date, even beats the ancient carver mead schoolbook in some ways
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 15:54 asciilifeform: re the 1801 thing -- moar interestingly , author was not content to merely dig up ancient docs, but apparently decapped the dies and verified that these in fact correspond to the physical artifact
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909683 << do you mean the pdf/word in the vm1 directory? or whole repo with e.g. http://archive.is/E2iex#selection-3535.0-3561.54 ? if there is a single document, i'd definitely read ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 14:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << drop gcc entirely ; drop all c code entirely ; rely on tcc as a scripting language to turn whatever snippets of c into object code that we haven't yet thrown away ; and for quick prototyping, where one's stuck getting a mass of 1mn shitlocs interop with 10k loc's worth of a whole universe
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909614 << i can do some experiments with tcc-based linux; this may be a too big chunk if i start with cuntoo, but should be possible with some very minimal linux. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 14:43 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909530 << if this is actually true, would prolly be worth doing. feel free to look into it soemtime.
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909627 << added to the list of things to try ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 22:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909527 << currently i suspect that tcc & similar is a mirage; and that an actual serious solution would moar resemble the bolix approach, where you have a proper lisp and a ~compact~ + readable c-to-lisp ~in~ it for use with legacy crapola while-needed
bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909552 << i grok this. the question is, how much work should go into cuntoo? ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Cuba held after the soviet union's fall for what seems to be the same reason. The Latinos who didn't want it already left.
BingoBoingo: Anyways. Any group of organized men in Vzla have more to win from more Maduro than they have to win by defecting
mp_en_viaje: fuck, i don' teven want to talk about it. fucking infuriating shithole.
BingoBoingo: And were the old bags in a rush to take up arms against anyone?
mp_en_viaje: most ridiculous thing anyone coudl imagine, the sarah bernards of 2010s argentina
BingoBoingo: I mean, when you were in Argentina, did you see strong tribal identities outside of the outsider communities?
BingoBoingo: Do the cocaine folks want Maduro or USG.CIA who will surely steal their product and attack them.
BingoBoingo: And the old word folks had centuries to faction up. In the new world when the Latinos faction up generally its about drug business instead of holy war.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 17:44 asciilifeform: 'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is a rebuke,
asciilifeform: oblig ghaddafi thrd ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Well the Colonel was outwardly warlike, and... succession problem. If Maduro kicks it there's probably someone from the pipefitter's union to take the reigns.
mp_en_viaje: a forty-something galivanting about the world having girls strip naked in the middle of the mall to try on slutwear and kneeling in supermarkets is very unlike an eighty-something visiting new york in his tent.
mp_en_viaje: the problem, i suspect, was that he was getting old and had no succession. at least that was my understanding of the collapse at the time.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno the problem was anything to do with that, gaddafi was the paragon of non-alligned warlike. he even enaged in very meaningful pre-mp cultural war, what with his tall busty harem girls and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell Maduro is more entrenched than any of the Middle Eastern strongmen the US targetted.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the decades the Colonel had getting comfortable because the thought Europe wanted him to keep Africa in Africa. Maduro's always had the US beast bearing down on him, entire regime has had to be kept on a war footing.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. "western coallition" days are entirel ythe fuck over, no doubt about that. failed in turkey, failed in venezuela, there's 0 left for them.
mp_en_viaje: bottom libya wasn't that substantially different.
BingoBoingo: It's the argentine thing where the bottom 2/3 of the population in Vzla is incapable of disagreement. Evil yankees keeping us down... etc.
mp_en_viaje: the intervening decade must bear most of the brunt of the explanation, otherwise i simply dun see it. maduro is no fucking gaddafi are you kidding me ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this is what impresses me. it's like watching hedgehog manage what hippo couldn't do.
BingoBoingo: Well, wins the elections by big margins. Allows local "collectivo" groups of men broad authority.
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, pretty epic case of co-opting usg.blue's "orange revolution" material into court fucktoy / clown. i suppose he got the typically pantsuit fake opposition as cheaply as could be had.
asciilifeform: tbf gaddafi also was popular. ( handed out, what, half mil $ of phree errythings to erry subject erry yr ) , didn't save'im
mp_en_viaje: fucking turned things around, this idiocy. i had nfi maduro is actually popular. i still half don' tbelieve it. but hard to argue with the facts.
BingoBoingo: Well, Maduro is very popular in Vzla. Actually has the police protecting Guaidó from the angry mobs at his rallies.
mp_en_viaje: very unexpected at mp central ; wouldnt have made the book this way in a mn years.
asciilifeform: to catalogue the great feats they 'did'
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, so far i must say im quite impressed with the approach. maduro somehow beats gaddafi in the field ?!
BingoBoingo: Maduro seems to be following the "why jail him when everyone can see all the nothing he's capable outta cuffs" theory
asciilifeform: i have nfi what's in the '???' in their 1) ... 2) ??? 3) profit eqn.
BingoBoingo: Maduro's letting the derp go derping about impotently.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc they switched to 'let's hijack vz embassies abroad' algo
BingoBoingo: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/news/a4018/ekaterina-rybolovleva-juan-sartori-skorpios-wedding/ << The candidate and the wife
mp_en_viaje: and speaking of harvard educated failures, what ever became of the "internationally recognized" redditpresident of venezuela ?
mp_en_viaje: damn easy to misclick on this damned thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 16:38 BingoBoingo: Well guy allegedly polling third in the National Party is Satori with the Russian oligarch wife and legal marijuana bsns selling the pharmacy schwag.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909708 << meant this ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-24 16:40 BingoBoingo: The old Pantsuitist Party the Colorados have a nearly 90 year old former President running even in their polls with some young derp. Colorados don't ever break 15% in intention to vote.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909709 << is she hawt ? did i miss the qntra pics of her (hopefully closely shaved) snatch ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: iirc this in fact literally played out in iraq war council