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a111: 2016-09-09
<shinohai> also o/ thestringpuller
jhvh1: thestringpuller: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 24 minutes and 9 seconds ago:
<shinohai> "geez Mircea, I have never seen such smooth, polished cufflinks. What's your secret?"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 14:51 mod6:
<+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys.
<< so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
mod6: i don't want to disagree with what I just said here:
<+mod6> a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts to prototype gossipd out.
mod6:
<+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys.
<< so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
☟︎ mod6:
<+asciilifeform>
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538037 << lel what has mircea_popescu been drinking...?
<< It is an intersting thought; a distributed V, which rails against the complaints of "omfg another centralized piece of equipment!!11"
☝︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24]
<mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
mod6:
<+mircea_popescu>
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but to clarify : "one button" refers to the situation where the user already has a trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his taste. these are part of the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present.
<< Sounds fair. Thanks for outlining this.
thestringpuller: Framedragger: just use apple's bluetooth earwaxphones
<< Glad I'm not the only one who discovered despite who clean I try to keep the headphones. Earwax gunks up into the metal screens and inevitably fucks up the sound.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [12:37:26]
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: deedbot is not a working model of 1packetron omfg
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [12:36:29]
<mircea_popescu> except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and theoretically understood, as described above.
mircea_popescu:
<asciilifeform> but, to briefly rewind,
<< and following. static linking, not dynamic linking. your "the mechanism described in mircea_popescu's sketch." symbol is not acceptabru.
mircea_popescu: i just dunno what you're saying starting 8 lines ago. "
<asciilifeform> it could if you were both sybils today."
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24]
<mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but to clarify : "one button" refers to the situation where the user already has a trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his taste. these are part of the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [06:35:04]
<Framedragger> will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just that default links generated when clicking don't include the thing
pete_dushenski:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537575 << this ties in very neatly the never-ending thread about the meaning and definition of intelligence, particularly the angle about 'intelligent' being best used to describe an individual's actions ex post facto. injun is a genius only for as long as his world is of low complexity. when whitey comes over and opens pandora's box on his ass, complexity explodes and
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:40 asciilifeform: 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.'
<< from first link
mod6:
<+mircea_popescu> " then navigate to pressed dir, "
<< i mean.
<< ah, ok yeah one ~might~ be able to do that. not an expert on make tho.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:52:51]
<mod6> this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
mod6:
<+mircea_popescu>
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1160 << so basically we got v running twice ?
<< yeah, which wont do. after my monologue earlier, I have a hunch that I might be able to get it down to a single press.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:59:57]
<mod6> Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree. One can get V, press the makefile project. Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:52:51]
<mod6> this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [19:19:02]
<mircea_popescu> yeah but the wrong one.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [19:19:02]
<mircea_popescu> yeah but the wrong one.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [18:26:30]
<Framedragger> thru other services and just plain syn flood or w/e