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phf: i don'
t really think his message changed, it's just that he started talking about different things. there's the lisper period and then the hackernew/yc/startupschool period. i knew of him, because of the excellent On Lisp book, so i read hackers and painters when it came out, and read that dabblers and blowhards article when it came out, possibly because i thought that hackers and painters was awful (the book literally has low
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just to me, any dreams of "global anarchist revolt" *are* lost on me (i'm terribly naive but not *that* naive). personal responsibility and individualism (vague word, i know) are necessary conditions. and.. yeah, i don'
t have much hope for humanity, given that...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gets lulziest when they encounter people who do not want to exchange their life for a fetish, and then explode into "putin doesn'
t understand how the world works!!1"
mircea_popescu: now, to be perfectly clear, i'm not either accusing or suspecting x guy of this, chiefly because i don'
t imagine he has the resources. nevertheless, phf's objection is much harder to reject than superficially appears.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i mean.. i agree; i just don'
t agree that tptacek fits the category. sure, there are analogies, but then there exist analogies with mircea_popescu, too.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (just ftr i don'
t think too much of bruce, either)
Framedragger: phf: so you don'
t regard matasano crypto challenges as anything worthy, then?
mircea_popescu: "i could be mp, i read all he wrote" "and if tomorrow mizdra lands with an alien submarine, what will you say as mp ? this hasn'
t happened in the past ALREADY, for you to life the quote"
phf: just because he happens to say right words, doesn'
t mean that he's right.
phf: mircea_popescu speaks from experience, of things that he have practiced. even mpoe-pr's rants were using internal mpoe practices as a model for argument. it's not clear that ptacek has any kind of similar standing, because we don'
t know what he did. he argues for best practices, which he could've as easily picked up from reading others. compare to, say, djb, who, when speaks about security, uses his extensive qmail (etc.) experience as
mircea_popescu: "everyone who disagrees is usg stooge" <<< this is not the criterion. everyone who dresses his "position", which they don'
t even call disagreeing, IN THE SAME COLORED PANTS, evidently shops at the same shop. you see ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reply isn'
t "this serves tmsr's purposes", but moreover, the reply is that he's in charge of his own household, and if he is making a mistake it'll hurt... him. and if the other made a mistake, evidently it'll hurt... the other.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: look i won'
t fault you for pre-forming an opinion on tptacek and not spending your valuable time re-evaluating it. but such heuristic lumping of people into two camps is rather crude indeed. i know someone may reply "this serves tmsr's purposes well anyway, so what of it" - well, okay..
Framedragger: phf: matasano crypto challenges and the new crypto ctf thing he and others did (i didn'
t try it) are a great public service; i mean the challenges start simple in the beginning but if one followed them to the end, actual reading of recent crypto papers would be required etc.; surely that counts as something? he didn'
t pioneer anything in crypto, sure.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah that is fair, too, though i maintain that anyone using any such implementation is an irrevocable shithead and phuctor won'
t do them much good anyway - but maybe it will, i don'
t know; and phuctor is a needed public service anyway (so i'm not arguing against that, ftr)
mircea_popescu: this disregard of the cockroach births register can'
t possibly be a criticism of me.
phf: mircea_popescu: ptacek is a "security expert" and founder of a security company matasano. he posts a lot to hackernews, and is regarded as authority. a simple question "what did ptacek actually did" usually doesn'
t produce any answers though
Framedragger: asciilifeform: oh i won'
t argue with that! well, of course. but say i took your pubkey and generated a subkey for it and uploaded that subkey (it wouldn'
t import into gpg). would you truly care?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: apologies if i am mistaken here, but iirc phuctor was reported to have cracked some pgp keys when at that point in time none of the keys cracked had valid self-sigs. the presentation from tmsr (trilema/phuctor) to me appeared to have overstated the results, so to speak. (but then later subkeys with valid selfsigs were found, iirc). this isn'
t a technical point, i suppose.
Framedragger: there is a danger of one presupposing the veracity of their own's truths, but this isn'
t exactly an original thought or anything; just, well, i *do* observe yourself and alf defending the power of phuctor's results almost a priori as it were;
mircea_popescu: im not entirely persuaded by this. i can'
t really say i had it all that bad in romania at any point.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can'
t fight us, we are Americans."
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, sure, the equivalent of vampyr, the junior high vampire cca 1990. problem is, junior high vampire doesn'
t actually believe there's 85,7 mn people going to his highschool, nor that the population on campus grounds exceeds that of guangzou
trinque: asciilifeform: they're a class of mimics; of course they don'
t know or care where facts originate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it doesn'
t. it's almost exactly like random third world shithole, where random dude literally dying of hunger imagines "his pronouncement arse outranks mine". and then obv it's unfair when his daughter prefers to run away from home.
Framedragger: nono they do not win; but i don'
t feel like articulating their shit every time it happens
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:13 mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn'
t irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 << point of frustration acknowledged; however, ftr it *does* irk me when $empire$ does it; i don'
t point fingers at *that* here because there's a point of exhaustion and tiredness re. the latter (*not* learned helplessness / acceptance, note), and it appears to be sufficiently covered by others here :)
☝︎ danielpbarron: asciilifeform, thanks but I mean i've had /mode +b set on me in all three channels at some point, not that I can'
t read the public log, or even re-join today. Although my IP does appear to be banned from accessing b-a public log
mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn'
t irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 13:17 Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, it is true that if you use (semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp, all the diddled keys won'
t cause a problem for ya.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523032 << there is a major difference between scientific speech and political speech. i don'
t care about the stupid conclusions random nobody arrives at. the moment however he emits judgements of value that happen to contradict mine, i no longer care HOW he arrived at them, merely that he stated them.
☝︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, it is true that if you use (semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp, all the diddled keys won'
t cause a problem for ya.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 22:31 mircea_popescu: sure, they could. what's keeping them from propagating into "your" transformer ? will github ban them if they don'
t respect notions of propriety ?
mircea_popescu: sure, they could. what's keeping them from propagating into "your" transformer ? will github ban them if they don'
t respect notions of propriety ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don'
t get this nonsensical theory. “Electromagnetic interference from appliances being used by neighbors could propagate through a shared transformer and have an audible effect. That’s not an unreasonable thing.”
trinque: pete_dushenski: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can'
t encode character u'\xbb' in position 52: ordinal not in range(128) << rss is supposed to be xml, hence ascii
mircea_popescu: now asciilifeform if cs were well specified and well understood from usage ; i wouldn'
t be against making "key" ambiguous as to which of rsa, cs it is.
mircea_popescu: it just doesn'
t implement a braindamaged half-sorta-thing
mircea_popescu: moreover, asciilifeform , the design doesn'
t PREVENT me from signing my own fp and publishing the fp - e,N,c set so signed.
trinque: asciilifeform: that wasn'
t known before it ran though.
mircea_popescu: the "noob can'
t think" argument can be used by me too, you know.
mircea_popescu: not that you couldn'
t overload it horribly ("if this statement is signed by lkfjl5k shoot obama ; if it is signed by 3k4j5lkj54 shoot trump"signed) means what ?
phf: asciilifeform: wouldn'
t there just be a process to work with primes primes directly?
mircea_popescu: it doesn'
t come from "this item assures me it is this item"
mircea_popescu: as it's not acctually correctly designed it 1) creates false sense of security ; 2) creates unnecessary byzantinism and "can'
t pop the hood on this"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why should it care ? keep it so it doesn'
t rot.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn'
t complain if it only ran in 80 x 640 cga mode, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, my principal objection to laptops is that they aren'
t... WIDE enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldn'
t i make a great soviet shop keeper ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 16:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn'
t, unfortunately, as if the 'hollywood nonsense' were harmlessly decorative. there are countless cases of, e.g., police AND arrestee both, acting out 'hollywood script' from their heads...
thestringpuller: trinque: wow i can'
t type today. good thing i'm not qntraing today
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: in beaivs in butthead there are several situations when they act out hollywood. they don'
t die tho cause cartoons.
mircea_popescu: moral being that at some point you will have to decide what you want the woman to do. she'll execute your priorities, if she's any good, but they must be clear in your head first of all. so : do you want strong boys to work your farm, or don'
t you ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 16:12 mircea_popescu: the principal avenue for avoidable bodies is precisely this - guy scores chick above his station, she imagines it's obvious he'll share he imagines it's obvious he won'
t, then she scores guy above her station because being married to someone else is a significant bonus to high level guys ; then the husband gets uppity, gets warned too late, slaps her arround and then next week gets killed.
mircea_popescu: myeah. especially problematic - the part where the successful arrangement doesn'
t actually get exposed.
mircea_popescu: the principal avenue for avoidable bodies is precisely this - guy scores chick above his station, she imagines it's obvious he'll share he imagines it's obvious he won'
t, then she scores guy above her station because being married to someone else is a significant bonus to high level guys ; then the husband gets uppity, gets warned too late, slaps her arround and then next week gets killed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's a natural trap that ; men don'
t take what women blather five minutes before being smacked too seriously ; women don'
t tend to land the bomb earlier than it's obvious they're getting smacked.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but i don'
t care. everything the usg says will be used against it in all the ways it can be used against it ; and will not be used for it in any way.
mircea_popescu: they didn'
t say "the company he ceo'd". they said "his own company"
thestringpuller: phf: ironically, humans lost control of their own planet. it wasn'
t humans making those checkpoints.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t mean figured out in any sense but guy de maupassan'ts "animal instinct of peasants"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don'
t dispute that with care, and expert handling, even a stock trabant might, on perfect roads, safely drive 100km/h briefly.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 19:13 phf: somehow you can'
t just hold one variable, just cause you will it to be so. them dependency graphs find SAT, and the solution is might surprise you!
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522049 << this is actually the controlling point. for all the theoretical theory of how "woman" should be ; you're still going to meet individual women with which it works or it doesn'
t. plenty of cases "the wrong" works way better than the theoretical best, even if present (which it oft isn;
t)
☝︎ pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm don'
t recall mp's bud's housebuilding thread
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: don'
t anchor to the numbers... i only brought them up to overcome your lawnmower nonsense
pete_dushenski: bicycle doesn'
t need spoilers at that speed but trabant does ? this is a problem.