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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldn't it already be a thing if we had the fee-based mempool sorter ?
mircea_popescu: or otherwise we could say the reasons are thoroughly comprehensible as they are reprehensible and just hang the lot.
pete_dushenski: mod6: i actually found the monthly really very helpful, and i'm sure that i'll continue to find them of value. they're essential resources for shallowing out the steep learning curve :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rbf aka "replace by fee" is a nutty idea of peter todd that got a sour treatment hre a whole ago, but for incomprfehensible reasons, let's say, managed to obtain wuile's support.
mircea_popescu: but such are the father's pistols. if only he were less of a drunk.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it wasn't that bad. but there's 1-200 man-hours in there easy going through all those cases and justifying them. not to mention that the ones that will need rewriting most llikely amount to two or three total rewrites of the codebase anyway.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wtf is rbf ? << Yet another weirdo script for double spending unconfirmed transactions with a higher fee. Only pheature is being more polite than just doing it as has always been possible
mircea_popescu: i understand that they have no option, being unable to do anything and ambitious enough to want to be seen doing things. nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: there is exactly 0 demang for all the crap these dudes keep trying to paint as "innovation".
mircea_popescu: "I still haven't found anyone that is asking for RBF." << pretty muchg the definitive word on that derpage.
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for taking the time to search through the code today and write it up.
BingoBoingo merely offering these comments so that at some point in the future members of our cult may be able to unironically honor each other with the title Doktor
asciilifeform: but if he does, it ought to chip away at rather than add to the confusion, imho.
asciilifeform: incidentally pete_dushenski doesn't have to write a history if he doesn't feel like it
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Anyways the way comprehensive exams work is you gotta rewrite the thing either over the summer term or next semester from scratch. Hopefully before you next write for the comprehensive exam you read code. << word.
mod6: pete_dushenski: if I may be so bold, Sir: Some helpful info you may find in the monthly statements from the foundation.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Dec 22 17:01:42 <mircea_popescu>Iin other news, "blocks" : 182731, << same system is now "blocks" : 347914. << almost there!
asciilifeform: these were the stimulus for the whole dns thermonuke thing
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: also recall the glibc agonies
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: point taken. will add 'portatronic'.
assbot: An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmEa3H )
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 14:40:51; mircea_popescu: that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch.
assbot: Pieter Wuille: "Opt-in RBF is not theft. It's indicating that you're not sure whether what you're submitting is the final form of the transaction" WTF ?!? : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmAD5A )
pete_dushenski: http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/3EE0/production/_87769061_33fd250e-5b35-4802-b575-be352ef87edb.jpg << pretty sure 99% of the internet is "smart like bill". lotta good it does them.
pete_dushenski: i did read come, while some of it made sense, much was chinese. but having gone through the process undoubtedly gave me the tools needed to launch my own public node. so there's that.
BingoBoingo: But props to pete_dushenski for trying to write for the comprehensive exam at this time.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyways the way comprehensive exams work is you gotta rewrite the thing either over the summer term or next semester from scratch. Hopefully before you next write for the comprehensive exam you read code.
assbot: DJ KHALED, AKON & TI "We Takin' Over" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrHsyY )
pete_dushenski: or maybe ben will be choked that i only mentioned him on the shitty part of the history thus far, who knows
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes you'll be pleased to find your trb history prominently linked in part ii :)
assbot: An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PrH83l )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It appears you failed the development history portion of your comprehensive exam. Must retake.
pete_dushenski: i literally spent the last 3 hours in channel, typing away, wondering why assbot wasn't picking up my links, totally unawares that i hadn't voiced myself. that's some kind of new low.
BingoBoingo: At least this gives a reasonable target of 2020-2026 for less shitty block verifier
mircea_popescu: by which math, quoite, 6 in 2020, 12 in 2026, two years by 2038 (when something or the other will be fixed in boost, apud satoshi)
mircea_popescu: well... i would say 50^ of these two months are roughly due to the last year or so. so basically we'll be seeing +1 month / year indefinitely, as blocks can't get any fuller.
BingoBoingo: So next year will be 3 months to sync, 2018 4 months, 2019 5 months etc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so i'm guessing... another 2-3 weeks for full sync, making a trb full sync take just about two months on a reasonable box.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any news on the Blizard front?
mircea_popescu: the sign bit is the difference.
asciilifeform: 'Unsigned integers differ from signed integers in that the latter include both positive and negative integers whereas the former include only positive integers.' << this is wrong in at least two places
asciilifeform: (no discussion of how and why we ended up with static build, omitting the whole pogo thing, astonishingly foggy description of what orphans/bastards were and WHY they had to go, i could go on, and on)
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 23:26:12; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380409 << dun wanna make pete_dushenski cry, but this is a ~terrible~ summary, if i were whacked over the head and forgot about my patches, and had to re-learn them from that article, i'd have nfi what they were and why. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: to quote, "name's Pitt, and you ain't talkin' your ass outta this shit."
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part ii. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/21/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-ii/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: WHEN: Saturday, January 23, 2016, 9:00 am-5:00 pm << lol two day lead-in ? desperation is dripping off.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, in further other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c501e62db03341caddc5ee0fec0c59e9/tumblr_o08sgzzApW1u9fdrvo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380386 << da fuck does that even mean ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Large brocks are bad for the children
punkman: large bocks are a good thing
assbot: Consensus Round Table — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1PryMIV )
BingoBoingo: ot the greatest character guy, but he sure was pretty smart."
BingoBoingo: From the mines, Micheal Jordan edition: "MJ used to tell Johnny that “Tiger Woods is an idiot. I tried to help him, but the kid’s gonna get caught.” (we all know how that turned out). In order for a girl to get to MJ, she needed to go through 4 undercover former narcotics detectives just to speak to Michael. She had to be approved by all 4 to make sure she wasn’t gonna say a damn word about MJ to anyone. So there’s MJ, n
asciilifeform: adlai: that was from the thread concerning famous article 'artificial intelligence and natural stupidity'
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 21:29:47; asciilifeform: the idea in the article can (and has) been rephrased like this. if you remove all the 'suggestively-named strings' like 'understand' - and replace with 'gensyms' - e.g., 100324 - does the resulting machine still do or even appear to do anything of interest?
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#922121 aka "mutation testing"? ☝︎
asciilifeform: adlai: 'will of allah' thread
BingoBoingo: Maybe your ergot friend can reveal the truth in a spiritual experience?
adlai still doesn't understand why asciilifeform quoted that
adlai dons gascuba mask and swims to the "don't be evil" bank
BingoBoingo: Why not google that string to see if there are already human translations. Or just swim across the Micheal Jordan river and ask someone a little browner than yourself?
adlai: asciilifeform: care to translate http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380342 better than google can? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: It's useful to know which shitcoin it was this round and the record a running tab of what i++ next shitcoins are
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams. << Which shitcoin?
adlai: shinohai: care to say which and how much? this is financial data relevant to shitcoin-asseteers
adlai: "caution: may contain peanuts, gluten, and glucose" is much better than "100% asbestos-phree!!!!'
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Cristina from 1 to -1 with note: Una gran pérdida de tiempo. Disfrute su bolsillas de mierdas.
shinohai: She is trying to sell some huge bag of some shitcoin, after I told her politely 3 times I'm not interested in being liberated of my paltry BTC earning funding scams.
mod6: "Enjoy your shit bags." is how google just translated it. HAHA
mircea_popescu: you're not angry at the chick for not putting out are you ?
shinohai: !rate Cristina -1 Una gran pérdida de tiempo. Disfrute su bolsillas de mierdas.
mircea_popescu: well, it is pretty obnoxiously identical to my view, yeah.
asciilifeform: really not all that different in outlook, behaviour, thought pattern.
mircea_popescu: yeh but i don't think that group of nuts would like you, or you them. meanwhile the usgod crowd... prolly. maybe. who knows.
mircea_popescu: he's equally convinced that "if it exists, is cuz god willed it, and should it go away, it will be through god's will"
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 21:56:07; mircea_popescu: check it out alfie, your clone with less technical skills is running the usg's largest bank-department.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380275 << i could try feigning stupidity and becoming sturmbannführer of something, but i don't think it works like that - you can't turn into a hapsburg emperor by elongating your nose, last i heard ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think we might be a few iterations away from it yet tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, that. myeah. that'd be nice.
mod6: eh. kinda sorta, i gotta re-read that part when i get a chance. but i think that you think it's useful :]
mircea_popescu: honestly, i have no complaint with the absence.
asciilifeform: it is to answer 'wtf did this come from' questions, as a class.
asciilifeform: os+language such that a usable and correct bitcoin client is 10kB of src.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 21:43:57; mircea_popescu: well... it's what, 650kb, so then the idea is that it should be condensable in 10kb or so ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380266 << yes! and you can almost ~define~ 'sane system' this way. with the caveat that it can't be a non-orthogonal fudge like a program consisting of one line 'start_bitcoind()' nor anything in that spirit. ORTHOGONAL operators. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's a very ample history of idiots thinking they may bypass this, starting with bitcoinica. i welcome more victims, gladly.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 21:34:22; mod6: has the following:
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380239 << THIS IS what my 'o' command was for!11111 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's exactly zero leeway. noobs are noobs, and start at the noob place. whatever they may think of themselves. and the more they delay, the less they'll get for it. again irrespective of what they may think it's worth.
adlai: people do sometimes meet people outside of the internet!
adlai doesn't recall saying that he himself, that is, adlai_chandrasekhar, wants to meet mircea_popescu or market make options
mircea_popescu: fancy what we're discussing in 2016, "oh hey, 2012 never happened, let's pretend that we matter and there's no deathstar in orbit". derp.
adlai wonders whether he should re-rate mircea_popescu with the thing about "text, signed or otherwise"
mircea_popescu: i will, for the record, NEVER entertain anyone you propose for anything.
adlai enjoyed it, thank you for your time.
mircea_popescu: ok, this conversation is over.
mircea_popescu: mostly because they are.
mircea_popescu: aaaand to make the matter quite plain, i've had it just about up to here witgh idiot jews who think they're exceptional. they aren't, the accomodation is 0, they;d better be fucking humble as if they're begging to avoid gang ass rape.
adlai: or he finds somebody who's done it, because ain't nobody got time for this. s/nobody/$0 that Matters/