asciilifeform tried (and failed spectacularly) over recent yrs , in various contexts, to hire 'actual engineer'
asciilifeform: not without a working time machine, right
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd say this formulation describes bureaucrat, not engineer, but yes i am aware that they've recently hybridized into a strange mule species, bureau-engineer
asciilifeform: it is prolly too much to ask for kindergartener to actually grasp the contents of the academy of sciences minutes she is reading; but perhaps it is possible with help.
asciilifeform: i'ma formulate all subsequent ones as ' s/foo/bar ', as i do for BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma leave it there, after all the chix is yer student, not mine
asciilifeform: mod6: i dun like to discourage folx, esp. mircea_popescu's pupil, who is evidently pouring sweat into the job. but i expected the items would get better with time, and imho so far they haven't☟︎
asciilifeform: i did not say anyffing re 'trinque is upgrading to 486DX2 for alf', but it prolly merits a mention also.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, am i the only one who reads these, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851562 ? some of these have atrocious mistakes, e.g. 'flashing the uboot with the dram from vendor did not do anything detectable' << rom, not 'dram', lol☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: plox to correct me if i'm wrong here
asciilifeform: there is the manifest, but afaik it doesn't get machine-parsed
asciilifeform: ( my current understanding is that errything ~else~ in vpatch format, remained same ? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851642 << btw mod6 , diana_coman , one possible cut of the knot would be if new vtron were to have algo where it tries keccak 1st, then if fails, tries sha512 and ~loudly warns~ ( can be off by default , and enabled on cmdline )☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do me a favour and cut out my orig postage addr before handing these to orcs
asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away.☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i like the new v format, but i also very strongly wish to avoid coming to resemble the urbit people, with their 'aah we restarted the universe for the 7th time'☟︎
asciilifeform: and for that matter the previous 2 crates.
asciilifeform: how the fuck else would $crate count as 'free'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that lulazon simply pockets that 62.18, and the orcs never see it; or alternatively, an orc pockets, off-record, and then pretends 'was 1 of 2 max free imports'
asciilifeform: betcha if i'd mailed'em wrapped in old newspaper in a standard letter envelope, you'd already have'em, and we could be fiddybux richer.☟︎
asciilifeform: wtf is even the point of lulazon collecting it, if result is exactly same as if i mailed the crate myself
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme know how it goes. this is 1st time i hear of any such thing re 'can only have 2 imports'
asciilifeform: and the thing where both types of patch have same extension and are not visually distinguishable, is intolerable.
asciilifeform: but will note, the situation where i gotta keep multiple vtrons around, one for this-here, one for that-there, ( ftr i've been using my orig since aug '15 ) is imho suboptimal.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: entirely fair point. i simply dun have the new one in my workflow yet, is all
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mircea_popescu's 'if it's still alive, it oughta be reground' item. but at the very least oughta be able to read the old trees with new tool and determine that somebody's regrind is actually bit-identical to the original, without burning several days per instance
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate has sat in montevideo customs for third day nao, and still no word from either dhl or orcs. possibly go there an' see ?
asciilifeform: unless of course both inside ~same~ nat ( i.e. on 1 lan )
asciilifeform: ( observe that it is actually impossible to do the thing if both are inside nat )
asciilifeform: i also suspect that results will differ when 1 box is behind a konsoomer nat thing, vs. when both ends are 'adult' (naked ipv4)
asciilifeform: ( and i'd like to try from here, also )
asciilifeform: will also be interesting if results are found to differ when one end is in mircea_popescustan, etc
asciilifeform: i suspect that the experiment could expose backbone diddlage..
asciilifeform: and will be interesting if results differ when ~direction~ is switched.
asciilifeform: see how ~particular~ sequence goes through various paths.
asciilifeform: making the run repeatable is useful imho tho.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i'd do the size shuffle, is to use a kindergarten prng (e.g. mersenne) for repeatable sequence, and put ~in~ the packets, a serial num. then simply record what comes out.☟︎
asciilifeform: can simply replace the bool param with a 'actualsize' one, for experiment
asciilifeform: you would have to make small change tho, to make it report size, mine does not ( only 'valid' , i.e. full size, or 'invalid' )
asciilifeform: did i also somehow sleep through this
asciilifeform: hey mod6 , didja ever switch to new format in trb ?☟︎
asciilifeform: would also like to have (but afaik we dun have?) a mechanical converter from old to new, so that all i gotta do is re-seal
asciilifeform: i'm not averse to regrinding things, vtron that understands 2 types of hash inside 1 tree is prolly too much to ask for; but at the very least i gotta be able to distinguish old form from new by file ext., for own workflow.
asciilifeform: really imho oughta switch the extension. note that this requires no regrind.
asciilifeform: not even speaking out of concern for heathens ( tho they do read my www and occasionally try to build the proggies ) but for tripping over own feet
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 thing that still bothers me is that same file extension was kept for new v as for old
asciilifeform: btw do we have a full spec for the new form posted somewhere ?
