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asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i had nfi fridge dutifully preserved the contents in liquid helium and racked up bill, lol. entirely fair if mp_en_viaje invoices asciilifeform for same.
mp_en_viaje: well, so say this then, and you know, in time. fucking ridiculous to let things just rot in the fridge.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, is that what broke down comms then ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, same as always, pay 3% income tax, get 16% discount on euro-vat for construction materials, have employer at your disposal for w/e purposes you might want to employ for, it's a list.
asciilifeform: ( also mp_en_viaje can pleez try an' convince fella to actually use pgp ? i tried in 3 languages, could not )
asciilifeform: i currently can't, but this does not mean there isn't one
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can you think of a use for it ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, eh, listen you. it's very bad form, this infantile "ima start things and forget about them". you didn't want it anymore, cuz for whatever reason, can just call the guy and tell him so, not end up with lengthy service you didn't want / did not intend to use. or for that matter answers his emails or w/e. wtf expire, who ever heard of such a thing.
mp_en_viaje: oh, right, forgot about this.
BingoBoingo: Ah, thought this may be Cuntoo related
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: was experimental item from long time ago, prior to your expedition .
asciilifeform: hanbot, mp_en_viaje : i assumed the service expired given as i did not go to renew.
mp_en_viaje will go peek over hanbot 's shoulder, wtf is this even.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to invoice asciilifeform for expense, if reqd.
asciilifeform: hanbot: item turned out to be obsoleted by BingoBoingo's work, as i understand. but i'ma let mp tell me how to properly dispose of it (or whether to try an' bring it back to life)
mp_en_viaje: let there be free and open competition among the users, if 17yo boi wants to fuck primo cunt, let him pay market value, not get govt subsidy. and similarily throughout the board.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu piece re similar 'give'em price' from '90s, where the derps sold off their privatized flats a la ru
BingoBoingo: Right. Gotta undo all the dishonest pricing Pantsuit debasement inflicted on the world
mp_en_viaje: i mean, what difference is there between a herd of "electorate" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "buy their votes", and a herd of "ambitious young women" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "seduce" them ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not to mention, at least give the stupid cunts a fair price for their whoredom.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. << And if the Balmers et al run up the cost of mayorship, that is a damned honest signal to the rest of the world that giving away the franchise to all that fall out of a cunt for free is gravely underpricing the franchise.
mp_en_viaje: as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: for some reason you make ineptitude a point of pride. https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-arhiva-1248255-4-000-voturi-cumparate-pentru-nastase.htm was more the point.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: which things ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911817 << this means things you likely do not imagine. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, dude wants to vote in romania, he can buy it now as well.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can't disagree with this.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: buying is an honest process. It's possible to price a purchase. The current herpity derp herd the derps process is fundamentally dishonest.
asciilifeform: so then will have to be ballmer personally.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no franchise for corps (and no aggregate corps in the first place)
asciilifeform: perhaps microshit will put in a bid. ( they seem to really like ro for some reason )
diana_coman: well yes, they certainly started as professional though it's not as if they didn't end up political too.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, guilds were professional organisations. this is a political entity.
diana_coman: as I'm still digesting the whole thing, I still find that my mind keeps going on to "guild" more than to "political party" ; perhaps I see political party as too limited though I really just need to read more on it first (and admitedly, I doubt there is the guild form as such in Ro, lolz)
asciilifeform: err, whatever the term is to be, for the 'voting stock'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: outta curiosity, only varanul + other native scum get to be earls, or can e.g. putin buy dukedom ? how about soros ?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, yet you seem to do ok here.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not going to break politics just because romanians gatherfed in large groups, did the student thing where everyone dropped a buck and thereby invented some schmuck "just as good as any Mircea come from afar"
diana_coman: but I have to admit that I wouldn't say that I actually have any political experience.
mp_en_viaje: so then.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: politics is a very alien thing ; and tbh part of the exercise I see precisely in actually showing what that is as opposed to what it "came to be"; similar to what "afaceri" seems to mean if you look at "afaceristi" and so on
asciilifeform: dunno, from asciilifeform's pov when he rolls up sleeves to build sumthing, result -- matters, it is not indifferent whether e.g. fg produces even spectrum or 1010101...
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
mp_en_viaje: ~because~. "results matter" === http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 ; you don't code like this, you code like "it's this because this is what it has to be" ☝︎
asciilifeform: then all you need is to enjoy process.
asciilifeform: if result dun matter -- then why not do $whatever -- and with hookers, blackjack.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well yes, I saw that (list includes parties that were registered, even if not existing anymore)
mp_en_viaje: romanians have got to be some of the lest politically active / creative people ever invented.
asciilifeform: they had it since '90s... like the result ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as i understand they have it already -- for what then need party.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, imagine if you will, the total historical count is under 200.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so let them end up with controlling share. great wealth comes with great responsibility ; this can't be fixed from downstream because oh noes.
diana_coman: reading the list of romanian parties from tmb.ro yields all sorts of lol including "party of pensioners and social protection" that became of people and social protection
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand some part of this, the recipe adds up to a faster, moar streamlined version of ukraine
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:10 mp_en_viaje: in no particular order, militate for the restriction of the franchise, the introduction of the census vote (whereby property counts electorally), amending the constitution to male it illegal for state to own anything or be involved in economy, lower age of sexual consent to 12 and systematically introduce young women to the concept of the sexual market and why it's very fucking stupid to [http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selecti
asciilifeform: since mp_en_viaje asked for nitpicks : how does http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911782 work w/ the existence of 'varanul' et al ? seems like they have the 'properties' , and so automagically end up with controlling share ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: entirely typical. as far back as i can remember, went exactly like so.
asciilifeform: nobody could be arsed to run against'im.
asciilifeform: apropos of thread, we just had a 'city dogcatchers' election here. mayor re-elected unopposed.
mp_en_viaje: well, by being the majority of the workers.
asciilifeform: the mexicans a++ achieved this in usa somehow w/out a party, tho
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, either that or refused to admit it. "a majority of mensheviks" etc.
asciilifeform: this is interesting -- for what do the hungarians stand ? ( 'give back timis ?' )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the two are not the same thing afaik ; but anyway, romanian govt traditionally is formed with hungarian party. was at the time ayways.
asciilifeform: right, had lolparty, but it refused to participate in coalitions.
mp_en_viaje: seems rather opposite, lenin went back to moscow formed microscopic lolparty. by any measure bolsheviks were a numeric joke.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what's the relation ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 15:36 asciilifeform: btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all.
asciilifeform: i confess , try as i might i dun see the point ( in light of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826391 historical record ) but if mp_en_viaje sees point, who am i to say he oughtn't . ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: (party went to shit, as it happens, but these things happen)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this "risk" happened once before, mp & friends (tho in all fairness friends & mp) invented party and in a few years took it to leading government. mp wanted no office, left.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this has ~nothing to do with presidency tho
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:46 mp_en_viaje: but in any case, a seat in europarliament seems to me within conceivable achievement, esp if alliance.
asciilifeform cannot comment in moar detail : the care & feeding of trollparties is quite far out of asciilifeform's depth
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:50 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'm not pushing for an insta-answer or anything ; but my thinking is if you both are interested an' nobody comes up with some major unseen flaw, ima draw a draft statute/documents w/e an' talk to my lawyer about it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911824 << the 1 risk is that mp_en_viaje & co might actually end up in office an' consequently herding swine. rly, want to herd swine ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911785 << hrm... reintroduction of titles of nobility ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:31 mp_en_viaje: spyked, yeah, but the interest's not in getting votes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911793 << iirc there were a few similar trololols on this here side of ocean. e.g. 1 fella ran for pres on platform consisting solely of 'will have bush -- impaled' ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: for the rotaku club : here's a most foamy, in places stylistically vitriolic, antique mp - diana_coman lampoon set. 1. http://trilema.com/2011/vindem-casa-fara-utilitati/ ; 2. http://ossasepia.com/2011/08/28/cand-intentia-bate-realitatea/ ; 3. http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-rele/ ; 4. http://ossasepia.com/2011/08/28/raspuns-autorului-ultragiat/
diana_coman: certainly; not as if one's own problems are not generally more than enough to keep one busy.
mp_en_viaje: whatever, you know, in the end everyone cu pizda ma-sii, the problems of others are the problems of others, the problem of the individual is adequate expression, lest he becomes an intellectual & starts "resisting through culture"
diana_coman: well no, there is no national specific re human needs after all
diana_coman: basically for a different hole that they think it'll fill
diana_coman: others (generally younger) who already have in fact the employer-master taking the food-responsibiliy off their shoulders will look up instead to usr/pdl/wtf (I can't quite recall whatever they are nowadays)
mp_en_viaje: the ustards've been hoping for the black man to magically rise up and take over for decades.
mp_en_viaje: not even specifically romanian, this.
diana_coman: lacking that, some (generally older but not only) will look up to psd as it (seems to, at least) takes responsibility for their food at least (poisoned as it might be but...);
diana_coman: re ro politics, while my hometown is one in which ~everything is "political" (petrol industry), that part was always more about feathering X's or Y's nest so I wouldn't use that to get an idea of anything; onth re what I see as political, the way the situation in Ro reads to me is that ultimately people are desperately (and beyond i.e. without hope) looking for someone to take responsibility aka a master essentially.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, only one, and just recently (2000s, during basescu electorals). but yeah, that's a good idea
mp_en_viaje: ask uncle vania, the communal councillor or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: well, if you live there don't you have any elders who were ever involved ?
spyked will come back to (re)digesting logs and discussion threads later today
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:53 diana_coman: no; you can however spend it on something else and I somehow never manage to run out of "something else"; but yes, I can see the idea; I don't know about who is there to do all the work and get it all growing
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911825 <-- tbh, other than the opportunity cost, I'm not even entirely sure of the details of *what* work this involves, i.e. cu ce se mananca. or whether I have what it takes etc. but I'm curious of the outcome, given the current state of ro politics. I live here, for one, so... ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: "Anamaria Suru, în vârstă de 29 de ani, a fost găsită fără viaţă, luni, 22 aprilie, pe marginea unui drum forestier din pădurea din localitatea Secu, la aproximativ trei kilometri de Reşiţa." for the dead hookers files.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 22:09 mircea_popescu: in other news, mp takes girl to picnic at neighbourhood park, she goes naked, within 15 minutes there's half a dozen local cops around the blanket being all concerned.
mp_en_viaje: ie, 13 yo girl past abortion, father is 63yo neightbour ; some chick stripped naked in moldavia, evidently she must be insane (spoke french, which no sane people ever do, esp women), taken over to mental hospital by fire dept) argie levels of lulz ; anon faggot ("clothes designer") beaten up by his bf. cuz obv gotta be gay if "clothes designer" ☝︎
diana_coman: numai cine n-a chiar trait la sat/ vorbit pe bune cu oamenii de acolo crede c-ar fi ceva asa extraordinar si de neintalnit
mp_en_viaje: Fata a fost preluată de echipaje de Poliţie şi SMURD şi transportată la Spitalul de Psihiatrie "Socola" Iaşi." ; "Răzvan Ciobanu, bătut crunt de față cu vecinii. Scene cumplite trăite de regretatul designer înainte de moarte"