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trinque: I'll be banging on it myself as well.

trinque: eh, I wouldn't rely on him for that. he's yet to show any signs he's pressed a trb himself using the previous V

trinque: with those changes I was able to press trb with a ccl-built binary

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 15:04 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols

esthlos: I am curious though, if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 was working for phf, because it wasn't for either of us it seems ☝︎

esthlos: excellent, I was trying to make heads or tails of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eFqSm/?raw=true

trinque: I don't think %GET-ERRNO does what it seems. mkdtemp returns a null pointer on error, proper pointer otherwise, and I'm seeing that change depending on whether e.g. there's enough X in the pattern.

esthlos: I'm looking into the expansion of ccl:with-cstrs to see why it's #_mkdtemp might raise an error

esthlos: I might need some sleep

esthlos: yep, and that's causing the error I believe

trinque: appears to work, i.e. (#_mkdtemp (ccl::make-cstring "/tmp/fooXXXXXX"))

trinque: appears to want some C type there as the argument, which makes sense. I wouldn't know how to provide that, just yet.

trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kHzNl/?raw=true << this is why I think it's being called incorrectly.

esthlos: I found the piece of code causing the trouble

trinque: esthlos: I wager neither of us knows how to use that ffi macro correctly. doing some reading.

esthlos: see the different error messages? I find it odd

esthlos: ah nevermind, I thought I remembered this working

trinque: esthlos: yep, I just got to the keyboard. iirc there was something wrong with ccl in regards to keychain path?

esthlos: i see

esthlos: also mircea_popescu , I'm curious what your formula for learning new languages is; or to be more precise, what your advice is to an esltard trying to not be so tarded

mircea_popescu: i suppose the proper term is "new age". funny how that principal designation of pantsuit idiocy during the 80s disappeared once the soviets gave in.

esthlos: trinque: any time to look at the new vtron? the currently outstanding issues I'm aware of are 1. need to reintroduce a defpackage; 2. weirdness with ccl and building the gpg keychain

esthlos: most admirable physicists I've encountered feel ~ the same. still, idea secudes me from time to time

mircea_popescu: in any case i find the web 2.0 ish approach intellectually repugnant ; if i'm to explain why one "feels his arms pulled" when spinning under the moon, perhaps i'll be next held to explain why the same one doesn't "feel" the normal pressure in his bladder, or the heliocentric nature of the solar system in his horse's clavicle. let einstein, ziggler, marx, godin and friends answer this nonsense ; anil dash stands ready to angri

mircea_popescu: i dunno ; grav theory is particularily opaque.

lobbes: the "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" sounds like we have the same issue. Either way, I've no solution yet myself. I figure if I can get mp-wp going with php 7.2 I guess I'll be satisfied for now

lobbes: diana_coman: I've been on a quest for the last few days trying to get a LAMP running on my rockchip. I was getting barfs on emerging php-5.6 but managed to at least get php 7.2.4 installed

BingoBoingo: I like how the Botswana Bank's international outreach is to India

mircea_popescu: i'll be very keen to hear someone explain the difference between usg and kpss.

mircea_popescu: "I cofounded Activate, the strategy consultancy that guides the leaders of the biggest media, technology and entertainment companies in developing their strategies for growth" << consider the politruk-icity. so, "the biggest" have absolutely nothing to say. they are so inept at creating their own fucking strategies, they'll just hire the political commissar to give them a sheet of paper that's certified by the office of polit

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 22:47 trinque: I suspect logbot is terribly named. it's more aptly an IRC-pg bridge.

spyked: I'll leave this open for discussion for a coupla days or so. meanwhile any comments from other lisp bot operators ( ben_vulpes, lobbes, phf et al.) are muchly appreciated.

spyked: also, re. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1819054 my intention is to implement the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815920 approach, where: a. user obtains OTPs manually by prodding deedbot with !!ups, decrypts them and feeds them to trilemabot; b. trilemabot maintains a list of OTPs and uses the next one in the list when it needs to self-voice (i.e. after it /joins #trilema). c. user must ensure that the OTP list is not empty, ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i meant specifically make a republican substitute.

douchebag: So yeah, she's going to get fucked up. I'll post pictures of the aftermath if I see her at all in the next 24 hrs

mircea_popescu: then when i say imperial "school" is out and out kiddie fucking they act like they've no idea wtf.

mircea_popescu: part of the problem is i don't even know if i can receive and can't be arsed to debug something i don't really use anyway. but yes, will clear it nao.

spyked: mircea_popescu, yeah, the example was only intended to give preview, re "what've you been doing all this time". btw, can unsubscribe using !F unsubscribe <link>. otherwise it'll send you messages after I figure out what's borken.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:59 phf: trinque: i like that idea, i'll see if it's easy to implement though. it doesn't map quite cleanly to current search architecture though, which is single pass and stateless

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:58 phf: asciilifeform: i'm establishing scope, rather then actually doing anything. firefox on my x60 has an uper limit on tabs i have open, because it runs out of memory, so i started thinking that this ain't no way to live :>

mircea_popescu: also i'm not exactly instrumented here to handle testing of pming bots, rss or otherwise. so mebbe someone else may be more useful ?

mircea_popescu: the value of "i forgot what this is" gotta balance with the value of "this is impossible to fucking type".

spyked: I'm gonna change that with the one from the bot list when I bring it in the chan

mircea_popescu: i would not object to !!paying whatever pittance my needs may drive me to, and if it's not a pittance i'll either change the needs or be thankful for the useful service.

trinque: I suspect logbot is terribly named. it's more aptly an IRC-pg bridge. ☟︎

spyked: trinque, okay, then I'ma do that first. and then get back to you for command prefixes.

mircea_popescu: i'll spare you the "wtf have you been doing thus far". this time.

trinque: the code I have is to provide the voicing service, which isn't useful for your purposes, but will certainly be released at some point

trinque: to reiterate, I do not have code to self-voice. deedbot is providing voice to everyone else.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:44 phf: and i guess you're trying to replace google's uboot with a built-from-src one, that doesn't also have rsa checks etc.

spyked: trinque, re. voice and other trilema-bot functionality, I'd like to take a look at the code you have if you're willing to share.

pipp8: thanks, Hi all, I'm a little noob about bitcoin, so I'm sorry, But from your website thebitcoin.fundation I can read you still use bitcoin 0.54(or 0.53 official with bug solved) why you have choose this version? what succesive implementations wasn't in line with your thinking?? you don't want?

trinque: and I'm going to graft logbot's v-tree onto ircbot

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 13:29 phf: back in the canonical log days, i'd patch the name in the logs, but since we're past that i think it can be left as is, unless there are objections as far as log authenticity.

mircea_popescu: i suspect it may not be fully computable. but, sure, we see how it goes.

mircea_popescu: trinque, i dunno that they're to be tracked, it'd be 100% elbow grease of the porter and his beard.

trinque: I suppose I should've said instead "had there been a gnat v-tree, eucrypt would never find itself in a position where gnat had moved, and nobody can find the gnat to build eucrypt"

spyked: mircea_popescu, then if they're separate branches and if I want to make purely hypothetical spykedbot that does both? would end up with patch with two antecedents, should v press that? should I regrind?

mircea_popescu: trinque, not the end of the world, the "author1 thionks author2 is an idiot" can be very mild indeed, "i didn't like the patchlength, collapsed some and regenesised"

trinque: I think this is absolutely correct, and I'm in error not putting logbot in ircbot's tree.

spyked: mircea_popescu, but say I have a similar itcbot vtree, with logbot on top. then top of it I include trilemabot (handling self-voicing et al.), then on top of that rss bot. then if I want to use rss bot but not logbot (which don't depend on each other), how would I go about that?

trinque: I don't see that eucrypt code includes the ada compiler? why not?

mircea_popescu: well, it's what i understand. what was being denoted ?

spyked: mircea_popescu, then I dun understand why http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot the disjoint graph on the right

spyked: mircea_popescu, lemme try to restate the thing as I see it. the rss bot doesn't make changes to ircbot, it's a new thing that uses ircbot as a dependency. so from this follows (in my mind, so pls to say if broken!) that the new thing will be a genesis.

mircea_popescu: i dunno. i think it can sit as it is.

mircea_popescu: i don't even know what fucking line. what line ? it's either a genesis or a patchset. that's thje fucking line. what other line ?!

trinque: I think he's asking where the line is drawn

spyked: more to the point: there is a relation between ircbot and the rss bot, but I'm not sure it would make sense for v to enforce that.

spyked: mircea_popescu, the rss bot would branch the ircbot tree then. if trinque or mircea_popescu see any reason for adding rss bot on top of ircbot, I see no reason not to, but it would be disjoint item (i.e. only file changed would be manifest)

mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can't press to arbitrary heads now ?

mircea_popescu: and the fact that i have to ask at all, let alone i have to re-ask after an hour's conversation is a very strong marker for a poorly organized mind. you're supposed to know what you're doing, what!

spyked: mircea_popescu, I ended up working on a couple of new ones. a. trilema spec subset and b. rss bot.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 11:03 spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available

a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 19:46 spyked: mircea_popescu, it's good timing, since I've been doing some reading ircbot code and comparing with my own implementation. I've actually been contemplating http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786288 and rolling my own was not a wholly useless endeavour, i.e. http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-322.0-322.5 so I'll document the whole thing on the blog.

spyked: no, I didn't. only reported that I began to read once I think, i.e. at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792655 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807544 ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: "hey $x (=trinque), i read $y and it makes perfect sense. i intend to do $z"

mircea_popescu: think : if you take the time to say, i don't have to take the time to later ask. it's a penny saved, aka earned.

trinque: it'd have to; I can write a class that extends n other classes.

spyked: the reason I was first set off by mircea_popescu's question was that it led me to "what implication do lisp modules (packages?) have for v? is each module/package supposed to have its own v tree?"

mircea_popescu: "here's how i expect this to be used : a) ircbot is a basic class ; b) logbot is an extension of it ; c) if you're ever making a rss bot, scavenge the relevant parts off logbot, and put a different vtree on top of ircbot"

trinque: I have not at all implemented *using* auth

trinque: this imho is totally proper, atop that I've written a class logbot that extends ircbot, makes it write messages to a "log" table in postgresql, read outgoing messages from an "outbox" table

mircea_popescu: all this communication you opt to not do when it costs you a dime a page i then have to do later, at the cost of a dollar a word. it's fucking bs, save me money.

mircea_popescu: it means this : that instead of explicitly communicating state, a. "i r making rss bot" ; b. "hey trinque wtf, ircbot doesn't do voicing ?" ; c. "o well, stopped making rss bot, making voice module for ircbot to be able to make rss bot later" and THEN 1. pushing a voice patch to ircbot BEFORE d. "back to making rss bot"

spyked: but yes, I understand mircea_popescu now, thing is vaporware/non-existent until properly published and signed.

spyked: no, what I mean is really, couldn't evaluate the metaphor in this context. /me admits to being overly thick.

spyked: mircea_popescu, trinque, aha, now I get my miscommunication. but I confess to being confused by the "value for $x" question.

mircea_popescu: well, apparently he doesn't know what goes in $x. which... i have nfi how this is possible, but somehow it occured. "i am working on a thing" "who made it" "dunno" "vorwarts, soviet!"

trinque: there's a whole thread on whether or not "fuck you, I'm not marrying bot commands to postgresql" we're denying posterity here

spyked: I dun understand

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:38 spyked: so eventually I expect some of the rss bot components (e.g. command handling, self-voicing) to evolve into standalone scaffolding for #trilema bots that implements a decent subset of http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/

spyked: mircea_popescu, I admit some of my wording might be confusing, but I announced that in my report today. self-voicing is a prerequisite for rss bot, arising from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818700 , so I'm implementing. how is this state switching? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: spyked, it was obvious you were going to implement voicing to make rss bot ? and it was also obvious that you're going to switch state from "making rss bot" to "implementing voice for ircbot so i can proceed with making rssbot", so you didn't announce that either. do you have a value for $x ?

spyked: no, why protest. I thought it was obvious that I was gonna implement it?

mircea_popescu: if you ask "well, am i extending something or writing de novo", you're participating. if you're doing anything else, you're wanking about ; an activity entirely undistinguishable from chatting up the starbucks waitress or braying under the full moon.

mircea_popescu: when i say "wank" i'm not just using a word for the purpose of filling a conversational hole. that's what wank fucking is, "any activity proceeding without having considered that question".

spyked: mircea_popescu, I'm not sure what you mean. lemme explain: the rss bot depends on ircbot and other pieces (some imported from heathenlands, some written by scratch from yours truly). from my reading so far, (e.g. diana_coman's use of MPI in Eucrypt) I dun see this as a strictly solved problem. I could a. make a new genesis consisting of ircbot + rss bot + all dependencies, or b. genesis rss bot alone (and mention ircbot + all others as

spyked: mircea_popescu, i haven't thought about that yet. but needless to say, the bot depends on many pieces that are not v-ified (and for that matter also does ircbot).

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:53 spyked: as far as I can see, this first writing pass exposes incorrect assumptions about e.g. data structures and how they're used. if this keeps happening, then it might be that the problem is larger than the mind can chew on in one take.