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asciilifeform: it isn't
trinque: I don't see how shelling out is superior
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm assuming he doesn't want to use a library, hence the netcat
trinque: why aren't you just opening a socket in lisp?
asciilifeform: lel, the victi^H^H^H^H^Hcustomers complain when you don't patch, and when you do...
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'In the last two weeks many security professionals have praised Apple for reacting lightning fast to the PEGASUS threat that has been actively exploited in the wild. This praise was given because the parties involved kept samples from independent 3rd party researchers and did not reveal any detailed information about the kernel vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t
adlai: inner-mp quotes/paraphrases real-mp: "somewhere your girlfriend would never imagine visiting, but the stripper you met last night can't wait to go"
adlai: out of curiosity, where would you recommend going, once i accumulate the means to do so on my own terms? you don't seem too pleased with your homeland or your current abode
mircea_popescu: but as i don't figure you much for the "bitch, you will clean my boots or wear a new kippah anchor point, right in your fucking forehead" type, i'd have expected you'd just left.
adlai: and... i don't think every single conflict situation warrants a declaration of war. sometimes you need to fight, but sometimes you need to regroup first.
adlai: it seemed like less effort to go through whatever process they wanted. i didn't realize at the start that it would last more than a couple days / week.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544441 << that's a very short day! also, the 2nd F doesn't make much sense, i was pointing something out to phf specifically. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i mean again as in you should have started with that ; and i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt pretending like you did and i didn't notice.
BingoBoingo: Lurks here, but he doesn't get lended voice anymore
phf: but obviously it doesn't have to be just load, can also be code that does a mutation on state or whatever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i understand the dream. just pointing out that it didn't work once before.
ben_vulpes: you don't say
asciilifeform: it wasn't re 'let's program in x86 asm' , lol
phf: yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it ☟︎
BingoBoingo: In other broken sold under the name of the working http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1544180
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << with the time, being the main qualifier. if you have the time and willing to promise commitment thereof but can't afford, whine and someone will surely gift you it.
mircea_popescu: i mean because "don't do this, don't use it there, don't do this way". in any game there are parts you could do in fucking xml. that you write those in lua, or lisp, or anything does not make the anytihng "fast enough for gaming", much like the 14yo doing the parts of "slut" that don't include fucking doesn't make the 14yo "old enough for sex"
BingoBoingo: yr: Don't worry much. You aren't the first to be shock by just how much is going on here, but so far you are the most polite.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:55:52] <phf> back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#44 << ftr, you know relatives/friends are universally "up in arms" against girly's plan to "move to $distantlands to live as sexual slave of this guy". doesn't usually seem to do anything.
yr: I wasn't aware there was more than one
BingoBoingo: yr: I don't know you well enough to PM, so now you have voice!
mircea_popescu: i don't trust an us educated psychiatrist anymore than i'd trust a shaman orthopedist.
phf: back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never know..
mircea_popescu: no, in a sense of course they offer credit - they don't really want to be buried in bills.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't be the first guy with a great idea that then got totally beat to a pulp by trying to put it in words.
mircea_popescu: what does openbsd future look without you know, "that guy who didn't save it before microsoft" ?
mircea_popescu: this corroborated with his dubious indictment of some sysadmin who didn't feel like fixing his computer 20 years ago paint the guy in pretty ugly colors.
mircea_popescu: and also lamport didn't birth his mother.
mircea_popescu: ^ guy just likes to paste those in for some reason ; they don't seem to carry meaning.
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. i wouldn't wanna go there.
framedr_ghetto: i'm on a guest network with no access to server. i don't know why scriba is acting up. shall be investigated tomorrow but not before
mircea_popescu: careful you don't follow covertress on the path to housewifry, jew.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#627 << you failing to read the manual doesn't make the scalar stupid or useless. F.
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same thing ; even if admittedly the virginal youth is ill equipped to see the difference.
mircea_popescu: "liberals" are insane by simple virtue of being liberals, working on the exact same orwellian rails ; and "transgender" derps by simple virtue of gender confusion. a bunch of indian peons dying in a stampede aren't insane, partly because they're too poor to be insane, partly because they're too stupid to be insane. admitting these can even be distinct.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:31 adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#588 << they're just inept. crazy discusses the subjective reflection of reality ; not much else. can die as perfectly sane inept losers. the quoted south african ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 ) is a fine example of such. you can equally well be insane, a la arthur blair. "oh, i am an english socialist, though socialsm is necessarily the end of being english, and i'm aware of t ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:25 adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:23 adlai: i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy
mircea_popescu: yes, but there wasn't any movement there.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as it's a bridge, use it for car traffic rather than as a wind foil ; and pray the architect wasn't a whore fucking drunks. that's about all.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:11 adlai: the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?
mircea_popescu: "and if your mother had any taste you wouldn't be here."
mircea_popescu: maybe. /me didn't know the man.
mircea_popescu: because the man's brain wasn't rotten by virtuality, and fetishism, and ustardism.
mircea_popescu: "we are the premiere science and technology institution in the world. and we can't light a lightbulb. both of these for the exact same reason - we "learned" from wikipedia, ted talks, and other inept contrivances."
mircea_popescu: no but really. "given the circle cvadrature, isn't this escherian trestlework ever so informative ?"
mircea_popescu: he doesn't have a toolbox ; but he does have all the convenience of convenience stores!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:18 ben_vulpes: just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.
asciilifeform: but block ciphers, it turns out, don't exist...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, we had this thread prior to the 'block ciphers don't even exist' thread.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 03:34 trinque hums don't fear the reaper
mircea_popescu: so apparently every saturday is "mp can't process logs" day.
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible, there were various experiments, e.g., https://github.com/dym/movitz/blob/master/losp/x86-pc/dp8390.lisp
asciilifeform: it isn't
asciilifeform: where you don't need the 30k lines.
asciilifeform: the thing doesn't fallback to some 'pretent it is 1995' mode
asciilifeform: again, this isn't a case of 'it'll be a 10baseT until i get around to X', it's a case of 'init or go cry'
phf: if your nic can't accomodate for those things, then your computer can't do those things, but it might not be a problem for the first year
asciilifeform: there ISN'T a 'simple' nic.
phf: until i can get ~that~ to work rather. then i wouldn't be as pressed to get r8168 working or bust
phf: weren't you saying something about cleaning latriness
asciilifeform: (and many of the ones that are, don't read correctly)
asciilifeform: good chunk of'em aren't even memory-mapped.
asciilifeform: phf: we don't even have sane vga on ~linux~ yet.
mircea_popescu: see, but this isn't supposed to be a comparison of fucking emotional states.
asciilifeform: phf: linux wasn't trying to multiprocessorate every arithmetic instruction etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is documented, and you won't like it at all, e.g., here -- http://developer.amd.com/resources/developer-guides-manuals
mircea_popescu: you documented any of these somewhere, so phf doesn't need to do himself ?
asciilifeform: no, it was a ~reasonable~ point, but when you go and try to actually implement it, on actual iron, it drives you to nuttery. because the thing is encrusted with unfathomable layer of undocumented turdolade and 'no this doesn't actually work, because fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah but they don't have to!
mircea_popescu: and i don't propose use c code whatsoever.
phf: asciilifeform: that wasn't a challenge, i was just disappointed
mircea_popescu: you apparently don't recall early linux worth twopence.
asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i mean, is there some fundamental reason such can't be written ? that's a problem. otherwise...
mircea_popescu: i can't parse that. say again ?
mircea_popescu: that's also the reason steam engine wasn't done by greeks.
phf: well, you don't need C for that and there are no excuses
mircea_popescu: now, x86 i can already buy, which of tll, lelnel don't exist and what's the excuse.
mircea_popescu: well i don't see any c/linux/dos/etc in here ?
phf: it doesn't do anything more than that
phf: programs that have to run on linux don't behave like dos COM files
mircea_popescu: so then ? i didn't import any linux anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the difficult part is 'which skank.' it isn't 1988 and there is no standard pc arch.
phf: mircea_popescu: that's not what the layer between os and lisp does in the case of sbcl/cmucl. it explicitly doesn't do primitives, because those are, like you said, written in lisp, that's compiled into native bytecode (using VOB's, i.e. chunks for assembly)
mircea_popescu: phf that some boys tried to talk to girls and didn't get anywhere is scarcely an argument.
mircea_popescu: would you ? or wouldn't you ?
phf: mircea_popescu: so in order to bridge the gap between the two you need knowledge of both patterns. cmucl has knowledge of its own, it doesn't also want to have knowledge of all the shit that goes into gcc
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't compile ITSELF it is not a compiler, ftr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gcc produces opcodes out of c. if tll can't produce optcodes out of lisp, the problem is lisp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting 10,001 pyramid slaves to hand-compile the compiler into asm with ~guaranteed same semantics~ as the original, isn't even a financial problem, it is problem with 'planet hasn't this number of people who can meaningfully participate'
mircea_popescu: phf what i don't understand is this bizarre notion that c has some sort of priviledged relation with asm, which is and remains the only hardware language.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.