asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855108 << i read'em when waking, when going to sleep, and in between have scrolling in real time within peripheral vision. but evidently even this not guaranteed to suffice..☝︎
asciilifeform: ( pretty thinly disguised attempt to get the dumber miners to 'upgrade' )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855104 >> bahahaha, and the disinfo machine already spinning at full speed, e.g. 'Everything older than 0.16.3 (and the corresponding 0.14 and 0.15 fix releases) is vulnerable to one exploit or another' etc☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yea, 10k is imho much. but e.g. asciilifeform gave himself 100 in orig v
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform plowed through the phf-vtronics thread when came back from voyage, and then second time when diana_coman requested keccak regrind, and both times failed to converge to correct answ re 'is there complete keccak vtron' )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855075 << yea if i'd smoke-tested it earlier, would have found. on top of this, naively assumed that diana_coman has a working and complete keccaktronic v , given as she's moved smg to newform☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855080 << i stole the notion , in slightly modified form, from knuth. the logic is, decrementing versions, with finite initial N, support a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851362 flow , where 'if you fucked it N+1 times , nao forced to call proggy something else' -- specifically in opposition to the heathen plague of runaway ver nums (e.g. linux kernel, emacs, firefox, etc)☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: recall when i thought that this nonsense could be disabled by flags, hah
asciilifeform: phf: imho your approach , i.e. dispensing with gnupatch, is The Right Thing, historically there was quite a bit of grief from gnupatch's habit of eagerly attempting to apply an invalid (by vtronic lights) but 'partially ok' by barbarian lights patch☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: which vtron are you thinking of including in cuntoo beta ?
asciilifeform: imho the situation where 'errybody made own hack' but no one posted 'because obvious' is a barbarism, really ought to have a civilized 'here is the whole thing' sitting on www somewhere.☟︎
asciilifeform: ( i.e. i'd like to dispense with sha512sum util entirely , aside from existing ancient items which have sha512 hashes in the l0gz from years ago )
asciilifeform: then not direly needed. though i'd still like to be able to post keccak hash in the log next time we're doing a thread with fw images or the like.
asciilifeform: phf: my orig vtron has been sad and unmaintained, and afaik unused by anybody by me, for long time
asciilifeform: phf: i don't dispute that it is obvious, but thought it had been done, this was my mistake.
asciilifeform: phf: right . what i was looking for is variant of same that calls out to keccak instead of sha512 ( mod6's latest vtron actually checks hashes ) . but apparently still needs baking.
asciilifeform: mod6: for nao i'll be entirely satisfied with the variant phf describes.
asciilifeform: phf: makes sense. my frustration is from walking the logs for past 2 days and looking for who has the complete shaft+head hammer, and not finding
asciilifeform: phf: loox like. i'ma put the head on the shaft in next coupla days .
asciilifeform: phf: there is not currently a complete replacement for mod6 v.pl ! fact !
asciilifeform: my ancient v100 , could also be reworked, but i'd like to put it to rest ( for one thing, it dun check hashes at all )
asciilifeform: i'd also like to see a continuing existence of multiple working vtrons, so eventually would like to rework mod6's to use newtype format ( unless mod6 would prefer to do it himself )
asciilifeform: afaik nobody's used esthlos's item in battlefield yet, it'll need good bit of test.
asciilifeform: once it ~does~ exist, and fully displaces the duct tape, then yes i'ma start regrinding other things , and i expect then mod6 -- trb, etc
asciilifeform: phf: this is not a criticism of the format. but turns out asciilifeform has been looking for a 'i missed it in logz?' piece that doesn't exist quite yet ( hopefully will in 3 days... )
asciilifeform: ( recall, i introduced the patches thing considerably prior to ~vtronic~ patches )
asciilifeform: apparently diana_coman has been hand-cranking it, sorta like asciilifeform's 1st yr of trb pre-vtron
asciilifeform: and yes it is the picture i got from log. the gap in my head is where diana_coman switched to the new format; i then assumed there is a 100%-complete new vtron, and that 'hmm simply missed this, is in log somewhere' , turns out nope, notyet
asciilifeform: phf: try an' see from my pov : i get a 'goddamn stop using old v' , go an' uncrate the replacement, and turns out it ain't a plug-in replacement but a set of pieces and a roll of duct tape
asciilifeform: if phf's item came with a standalone keccak hasher , would then be quite simple to retool e.g. mod6's vtron, to follow the new format. but as it is loox like i'ma have to wait for esthlos , to get full working replacement for old vtrons
asciilifeform: this thing is supposedly battlefield-ready, but presently loox to me like a ball of yarn for which no working build instruction is posted anywhere
