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thestringpuller: phf: you don't have to inject blocks into your signing node. you don't even need a node to sign iirc? just raw transaction.
thestringpuller: its in T-Bot for christ-sake
mircea_popescu: for some reason i can't find it though i clearly recall ranting on it.
mircea_popescu: because you simply can't get the taint out of the stupid head. it's born with it, will die with it.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point being, the miner cartel brink-of-war event didn't proceed, but "equipment" derived from it is now widely deployed, and as you can observe it can selectively disappear txn from the mempool.
asciilifeform: i still don't fully grasp ~why~ the malleatron fires ONLY when the maker of original tx tries to doublespend own coin by making new one
asciilifeform: because there exists this animal, that isn't even properly part of bitcoin, called the unmined tx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don';t think the wallet should do only signing. it should also do coinbase selection.
asciilifeform: phf: it isn't clear that the signing box needs to see raw blocks.
asciilifeform: imho private keys don't belong anywhere near a node.
asciilifeform: (possibly because they haven't own brains, are simply an anal wart on usa now.)
ben_vulpes: my personal preference, if you can't spot the foreshadowing in my work, is to index the entire set of outputs on "to whom was this sent"
asciilifeform: weird, the key i have here for mike_c doesn't seem to expire
BingoBoingo voted Obama in 2008 because I threatened to if the spam didn't stop, and issue was forced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, talk to putin, i didn't come up with the shit.
mircea_popescu: what with their terrorism of pointing out that mosul and aleppo aren't that far apart.
asciilifeform: 'how to be less stupid so i don't have to use the ddt'
mircea_popescu: or, similarly, take rt. largest program of education of one group of idiots at the expense of another, "read this so you don't get stupid enough we have to nuke you"
asciilifeform: 'Now I know what you're thinking, "but Maddox, I have all my teeth!" You won't for long. People who read alternate news sites will eventually lose their teeth. It's an Anankean inevitability; you're going to do something stupid like put a firecracker in your mouth because you are stupid. Want to know how I know? Because you read bullshit instead of news, and you not only think you're informed, but that you're smarter than the general
asciilifeform: 'Stop buying into this bullshit. You're getting played. If it's not a "main stream" news source, that means they don't have anyone to answer to and nobody will lose their job if they report inaccurate information. You're not "woke" for reading alternate news, you're a dipshit. Rather than poring over old news clips to prove that 9/11, Sandy Hook, or the Boston Marathon was an "inside job," you should go outside and get a job.' << gol
mircea_popescu: sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. what's another mark add ? nothing at all, of course.
mircea_popescu: just because i could bomb city hall doesn't mean i may not register a church there. optionality is mine, all of it, without restraint. i can do both, if i feel like doing both.
asciilifeform: note, implication wasn't 'we will be forced to fellate preet'
mircea_popescu: who says you need 600 ? church holds title to the land, can't be expropriated
mircea_popescu: supposedly it ain't gonna look like a salted slug.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the hope is that we don't have the problem of the soviets, specifically because the republic has ~no problem with the idiots leaving to be with the usg&co.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is very much that the small country isn't swallowed up by the macdonalds. on the contrary : it swallows the macd.
asciilifeform: but it isn't there yet.
trinque: the west didn't do their particularly weird "beat the 5 year old girls so they prance around like weird trained dogs" did it?
mircea_popescu: well yes, by definition if works on and off now doesn't it.
asciilifeform: doesn't keep the 'civilized' west from trying again. ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: hey, most of the infrastructure the us has been bombing all over the middle east past decade was put in place by romania. back when romanian extraction engineering was best in world, and haliburton couldn't compete for contracts, so ceausescu ended up with his own concessions which he serviced with his own boats and refined at midia near constanta.
asciilifeform: i literally don't give a femtofuck re how many dead peasants n1 rocket was made of.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561511 << incidentally i was in a '5-star' hotel in usa and they had '1-ply' tp. so perhaps saying no to 3000 ton rockets, doesn't magically create tp-for-everybody. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and these weren't even mega-rocket-constructors, but engineers/jurists/architects/fencing instructors/etc in distant and forgotten and since-demolished orcland.
mircea_popescu: can't distinguish frenchman, german, russian, etc. even in widely variant environment they build the same "plox to cuckold me" mentality.
asciilifeform: noooow i wasn't there for the magical 90s.
mircea_popescu: phf no, they just didn't have fish at the fish shop ; the meat they didn't have at the meat shop. ☟︎
phf: jurov: i was actually curious what kind of "famine" you were referring too. usually they can be named by name, like the stalin and Ukrainians. 80s had shortages, but people weren't starving.
asciilifeform: don't ask gandhi about brit empire, or jurov - about su
phf: also don't forget the 40s
phf: also was soviet strategy, hence "propaganda" which ignoring retarded western stereotypes was primarily not about "north korea best korea!", but about teaching what "soviet man of future" was supposed and wasn't supposed to do. "soviet man of future cooperates in prisoners dilemma!"
phf: some kid pulls up with chrome dipped bugatti rims now i'm thinking it's three in the am i'm walking he in a bm drop top 3 and don't even see me but you gonna believe he saw my gun in 3-D ☟︎
asciilifeform: t: they’re not. I feel like someone robbed me of my birthright, as should anyone else who speaks english but never read the Book of Exeter. I’d tell you to go ask the nuns how they did that, but your lot bought them vibrators and taught them to be lesbians, so there aren’t any left to talk to.'
mircea_popescu: isn't that where they make faatten dasz ?
asciilifeform: soooo somebody linked this turd, https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/575 , and i read the paper to try an' see how the fuck a gizmo that requires you to send bitcoin to folx you don't know can be 'trust-free'. took exactly 30 seconds to read to the point where it relies on 'timelocked' transactions.
mircea_popescu: there's that image of an ape named ballmer that just won't go away already, they're so lame and inept.
mod6: jurov: thanks. haven't seen a bounce or anything on my side...
mircea_popescu: srsly, the experience of carly "i sunk hp hear me roar" fiorina isn't enough ?
mircea_popescu: n exist. there's a lot of similarly broken stuff in there, and then there's strange notions i can't readily evaluate. it is also much too long, yet it evidently is too sparsely written in most nodes. do yourself & teh world a favour and rewrite this thing.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell gabriel_laddel so the thing is - you have to rewrite this. there's a lot of very powerful ideas struggling in the mire of very poor (and often rushed) writing. there's no way out, i can't rewrite it for you. while it's starting to emerge into sense it's not yet at the level of development where it can be productively engaged. take but one simple example : "$computation against $uri validate videos were watched".
mircea_popescu: hey, we didn't all go to the same kindergarten!
mircea_popescu: hence looking into what ext2 does if you do a lot of simlinks. not like this can't be dry run with bogodata.
mircea_popescu: what time ? a txid doesn't change what block it's in does it ?
mircea_popescu: the only correct way to do this is to make a binary tree out of txids and save that somehow isn't it
mircea_popescu: not unless you're mining, which doesn't belong mashed in here.
mircea_popescu: the three girls presently in the room have three girls names, but if i have them fuck each other and film the proceedings the filename will be something with a time in it. apparently this doesn't make the walls collapse on my head.
asciilifeform: btw if shitoshi weren't dropped as a baby, 'which block' would be baked into tx id.
mircea_popescu: they are still turds. i don't want to seek in a fucking 2gb file to find block N
asciilifeform: they ain't bdb turds
mircea_popescu: and it's also immensely ssd friendly : you don't touch most blocks. say you keep i dunno, 12 or something like that, user-configured, in memory. this way, you only write them to disk once.
mircea_popescu: the thing with the db is, i keep thinking about it and i keep failing to convince myself a db is even needed in the first fucking place. truth be told blockchain is the textbook example of "you don't db this shit son, use the filesystem"
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 23:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560997 << this is exactly how it goes, on one end of that : everyone has his own boxes / his own process for acquiring boxes. you can't buy them boxes and mail them over, not really, and if you could it'd be a specialized job and wouldn't work like this. and this isn't even the only angle, people are also variously allergic to divers proteins involved etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:45 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1561048 << Dicks also works. << You can't have a fucksaw without a sawzall ☝︎
shinohai thinks it is nice to finally read a Bitcoin development conversation that doesn't include the term `Segwit`
mod6: Perhaps you can see if there was an error. I didn't get a bounce message, yet. Will let you know if I see anything on my end.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:40 phf: gabriel_laddel: i wasn't thinking of selling your product, but i wouldn't mind trying to do the deployment on a own hardware
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560997 << this is exactly how it goes, on one end of that : everyone has his own boxes / his own process for acquiring boxes. you can't buy them boxes and mail them over, not really, and if you could it'd be a specialized job and wouldn't work like this. and this isn't even the only angle, people are also variously allergic to divers proteins involved etc. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i never had any patience to begin with ; consequently - i can't ever lose it.
trinque: the same was contemplated for trb; it doesn't rule out use of V
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 18:14 trinque: I'm irritated he didn't genesis v-patch the thing
trinque: and even without fancy shit like that, I don't notice a damn thing lagging
trinque: re alf's realtime rant, I can't see how that's not possible, perhaps by interrupting an ongoing redisplay with a condition?
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560792 < ben_vulpes sorry what? I didn't post that in here because it was strictly for defunding the McCLIM idiots. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up. ☝︎☟︎
trinque: not like I don't want the source, but you understand my meaning
trinque: I can't help but see braindead open-sores-ism in that.
phf: gabriel_laddel: i wasn't thinking of selling your product, but i wouldn't mind trying to do the deployment on a own hardware ☟︎
asciilifeform: and if os lived in rom like the gods intended, you won't need the 100msec either.
asciilifeform: but my objection is to the ~principle~ of the thing, 'what the FUCK are you doing for three whole minutes that msdos didn't need to do, and IT DIDN'T, you can't unhappen this'
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 19:37 mircea_popescu: i dunno who cares about boot times, a machine that's booted isn't intended for serious use anyway
mircea_popescu: i dunno who cares about boot times, a machine that's booted isn't intended for serious use anyway ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
trinque: couldn't agree more that religion/ritual cannot drive design choices.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't actually know about that, i gotta try it myself now :) i think we might've both tried it around the same time
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi, will have to try the new clim, won't i.
trinque: my i7 isn't fast enough for ya?
asciilifeform: the counter to 'i don't feel any delays' is to sit the 'not feeler' in front of wordperfect on msdos and watch his face as he says 'this dun feel any faster'
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows, dog slow kinda means exactly that "irritatingly slow to me", to which "i don't feel any delays" is a valid counter.
asciilifeform: aha some don't walk. there was a photo leaked of a radar base, where they had one of the few completed elbrus. in the corner desk there was what looked like winblows. nfi, could be hangout, perhaps the 'indigenous base' happened, strictly in ru meta-nsa.
mircea_popescu: some don't walk.
mircea_popescu: trinque wasn't waht i meant. just, your spring sprung too far s'all
trinque: mircea_popescu: I can't develop on that imagined computer any more than Eulora wrote its own OS.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:43 asciilifeform: '“I would highly doubt that they’re armed,” he said, “that poses a greater threat. Normally, standard operating procedure for the Secret Service is to never have armed security around our protectee—ever. Even working closely with sworn law enforcement officers around the protectee is a very delicate situation.”' << lel, no word on whether clitler and the monkey disarmed mr t's guards, but... we'll PRETEND! they did. appar
trinque: I'm irritated he didn't genesis v-patch the thing ☟︎
phf: well, mcclim layers things in a way that i thought was part of the spec, but turns out it was beach's decision (to among other things support multiple different backends). when i was trying to optimize the x11 backend last time, i was hitting multiple "independent" layers, that all demanded attention. there wasn't really an 80/20 solution, which made me conclude that there's not a single subtrate that you can optimize (the way, say,
phf: trinque: i don't think anyone's telling you what to do, but to honestly consider what you can observe, and compare it to what we can observe. asciilifeform is saying that clim is slow for him, i'm saying that there's something in clim design that makes it tricky to make it fast. it's a converstion.