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diana_coman: I even remember the issue being discussed now that you mention it
spyked: that oughta work. I can't find the discussion where phf recommended this approach of keeping just one side of the tree in the patchset.
diana_coman: or what, I need to delete the patches from the other side? hmmm, let me try that
a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 11:48 spyked: it might also in a way be interesting to report how I stumbled upon this: I tried to recompile gnupg-1.4.10 on my broken debian system and got the same "multiple definition" linking errors as in vtools' case (though I *did* use gcc<5). so I dug and found the usual kochs "fixing" things to compile gnupg on newer gccs.
spyked: diana_coman, I think v.pl will press either side of the http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools tree (keccak or sha), but not both. also, re. error, vtools_fixes_static_tohex should fix it. I've also encountered the linking error in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816314 and earlier. ☝︎
diana_coman: phf, I'm having trouble with latest vtools it seems (gcc and gnat version at the end of paste): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WJios/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 22:35 lobbes: asciilifeform: can haz. I'ma move this up to item #1 in hopper
asciilifeform: i can only with great difficulty picture it being the ~only~ door, has the flavour of a decoy, 'hey we found & fixed, what do you want'
lobbes: asciilifeform: can haz. I'ma move this up to item #1 in hopper ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 20:49 lobbes: mod6: I'll work to see if I can spin up a custom fiat-for-btc version of the auctionbot for you to use next month.
asciilifeform: as i understand, idea is auction of dollars denominated in btc (i.e. special-purpose honest exchange)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833011 << what, have an auction bot denominated in dollars ? i expect washington will take pula before we take fiat, neh ? ☝︎
lobbes: mod6 I would gladly work to earn that grant. As it is, I already need to get the 'legacy' auctionbot away from heathen dependencies (in this case, the 'supybot' api), so in building this custom auctionbot for pizarro I may just take the opportunity to design something sitting atop ircbot/logbot and eventually release a proper genesis ☟︎
lobbes: word. I'll keep you updated
lobbes: mod6: I'll work to see if I can spin up a custom fiat-for-btc version of the auctionbot for you to use next month. ☟︎
mod6: I need the buyer to make a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a destination that will be sent to the buyer. Upon completion of the WU or Wire Transfer, the bitcoins will be sent to whatever address you specify.
mod6: Everyone, I am selling BITCOIN in two chunks, each of 0.15 BTC in size. These are selling for $1025 USD.
diana_coman: well, you are selling btc, right? so your "item" is 1.5bn coppers and the opening bid is 1025$; granted I'm not sure how would that work with lobbes's auction bot since the price there is in Ecu aka satoshis
diana_coman: basically people can bid more btc , not more $ so I don't see how is this meant to work
diana_coman: mod6, I find that confusing there: the auctions effectively state you are selling 1025$, not btc
mod6: I started up two auctions, selling 0.15 BTC chunks for a minimum of $1025 USD each. Winning bidder will send a WU payment or Wire Transfer to a specified WU location or Bank Account after the auction is closed. The winner will wait until receipt of the WU or Wire Transfer is complete before recieving coins won in auction.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:46 phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books
asciilifeform: i.e. moar fascist than microshit
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is one of the few details i actually knew, re corset
diana_coman: hm, I still remember that once-alive liver with corset-imprint in it
asciilifeform: i.e. a sort of hair shirt ?
asciilifeform: and i can definitely picture how it's a 'high tech' item, sure.
asciilifeform: pretty sure i saw it in use -- iirc hanbot showed one at c3
mircea_popescu: and when i say "stepped beyond the corset" i mean, that she proposed the first recipe for obtaining lady (ie, lordship female) that is both a) dressed and b) not in a corset.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832930 << i see corsets etc in approx same light that mircea_popescu prolly sees toyotas with flames painted on them. but possibly that's just asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832946 << a) they were the standard undergarment for dressed up female longer&wider than ~any other item ; b) they are actually a very faberge-like engineering item. i propose your disinterest is merely driven by your never having seen an item, either at rest or in use. but no, not toyota, rather http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1832121 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:12 ave1: I also have to sometimes help people with macs, by now this always ends with me giving them advice to thrash the thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 09:44 ave1: On system where I do not have root, and on this system all core dumps are simply thrown away
BingoBoingo: I don't know if Costa Rica gets cold in the way Uruguay does
phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832930 << i see corsets etc in approx same light that mircea_popescu prolly sees toyotas with flames painted on them. but possibly that's just asciilifeform . ☝︎☟︎
ave1: I also have to sometimes help people with macs, by now this always ends with me giving them advice to thrash the thing. ☟︎
ave1: Well, all in a days work, I guess.
ave1: yes, It's the process of going sarting with "why am I not getting any core dumps" to "o hey the kernel will call a program to handle core dumps" to "O fuck, systemd is called". And then systemd with all of it's policies and pure stupidity.
BingoBoingo: <phf> ave1: i believe we're beyond linux haters now, this is the uncharted territory of everyone being an idiot << I am pretty sure this line was crossed irrevcably sometime between 2011 and 2015. Now we are just hitting new frontiers of idiocy
phf: ave1: i believe we're beyond linux haters now, this is the uncharted territory of everyone being an idiot
ave1: On system where I do not have root, and on this system all core dumps are simply thrown away ☟︎
asciilifeform: and largely associated with spam in my head, being the only place i ever encountered said strings.
mircea_popescu: if my slavegirl coco asked me in the 50s if i recommend she go into fashion or into computing, she'd still have been coco chanel.
mircea_popescu: i guess the cosmic ray is still powered on.
esthlos: phf I fixed those files if you'd like them, at http://files.esthlos.com/crypto/esthlos-v/v_genesis.vpatch and http://files.esthlos.com/crypto/esthlos-v/v_genesis.vpatch.esthlos.sig
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832731 << looks like yeah, I have ancient vdiff, taken from the classic http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 23:27 phf: i've been using vpatch/vdiff without full blown v, because i can order the patches by hand (and there's now an explicit ordering provided by manifest), and vpatch verifies the hashes for me. it would be handy if i could also press existing sha patches with `vpatch -a sha` or whatever
esthlos: wrt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832726 and asciilifeform 's "sad mode", the idea of using the manifest was the confusing way the fuck back in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-07#1787163 , where I thought "oh, mp wants me to build a vtron using manifest to resolve tree, guess I need a manifest spec!" ☝︎☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't expect anything less generous
phf: i suspect also that ave1's build is missing functionality that vtools requires, i want to see what that slice looks like, possibly fix it
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html#selection-141.182-141.386 << dood has a fucking point. you should see the morons here, i suspect they sleep in the damned things. their idea of "dressing up" is ~a different blouse~ atop the grafted-on jeans. they have shops catering to this specifically, "dress-up blouses shop". in most social situations i actually own 99.9x% of all human females dressed like human females
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly, but i haven't tested his pill yet ( iirc not yet published on his www )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, i thought he finessed that too ?
phf: i followed that thread with one eye, and now i regret it. gotta revisit
phf: asciilifeform: is it possible to combine musl and libc on a same gentoo system (gentoo insists i use something they call crossdev, i haven't yet looked into it further) (i'm using your aarch64 gentoo root file system)?
phf: i very briefly looked at ave1's script, and i'm guessing that's what it's supposed to do (besides musl related): build a x86 hosted aarch64 crosscompiler, build an aarch64 build using that compiler?
asciilifeform: sadly i dun have 'the genuine figs', all i got is this.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-08 04:27 ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832806 <-- it certainly looks this way, these are keys that are in both the phathub-2015 and 2018 datasets, and this particular one belongs to the same user. but note that the 2018 one doesn't have a key id (I inserted the user id instead), that one was only available when grabbing the key through the API. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 17:24 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832542 << I'd be much obliged if you did, staying on cuntoo dev until done.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832633 <-- ok. this'll be a very good exercise for the spyked patch-making muscle, I need it. ☝︎
ave1: phf, link was wrong should have been: http://ave1.org/tarpit/tmsr-pgp-genesis.vpatch.ave1.sig. I updated the link in the post.
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 04:26 mircea_popescu: actually... i suppose might as well get the whole pile archived
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're doing weird guns, i guess pucker gatling also worth a mention
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less what size. it'll have to be something, and whoever makes it makes it.
asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu's arg for gluing it in. but why 512b.
mircea_popescu: now, politically i was going to take a soft approach to it, but since phf decided to make a challenge out of it for no reason i can imagine, what can i say, let's make it a big deal.
asciilifeform: i expect that errybody currently tuned in, will use keccak. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes, i like it largely because not crowned by hitler. ( tho admittedly there is no way to prove the negative of hitlerian authorship for it, the author set of it iirc intersects with that of aes , which ~was~ crowned )
mircea_popescu: so that i gotta mandate every vtron implements 500 hashers ?
mircea_popescu: what ~i~ don't understand is why every, ~EVERY~ design decision gotta be re-argued again, soviets style, with every fucking implementation every single time.
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp why hasher gotta be hardwired into the vtron. what's the point of even having a shell if not for pluggable items like hash.
phf: i've been using vpatch/vdiff without full blown v, because i can order the patches by hand (and there's now an explicit ordering provided by manifest), and vpatch verifies the hashes for me. it would be handy if i could also press existing sha patches with `vpatch -a sha` or whatever ☟︎
BingoBoingo: But I did suggest "Why is she still a maid"
phf: now the reason i kept the branches separate is because i was expecting a rapid switch to keccak as soon as one's available, so the need to deal with sha patches would've been rare. that's not the case, and i want to have similar functionality available for both sha and keccak until there's no more active sha patches in the wild.
asciilifeform: ( i'm almost surprised there ain't more )
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise there's disadvantages to a gnat system
mircea_popescu: i thought he went by account id which is a counter
mircea_popescu: i must say this is shocking.
asciilifeform: what this also means, as i understand, is that there are some lusers with >1 mod .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somewhat surprisingly, eater is 1059370 keyz into the spyked parcel, and result is 1059878 new mods ( i.e. avg of >1 per ! )
esthlos: I'm going to think of how to proceed and blog the reasoning
mircea_popescu: "should #1477 [bit of privkey] be true or false ?" === "do i x or y in situation z"
esthlos: gah. hope I don't suck, then
mircea_popescu: i ain't gonna make them for you, even if you turn out to suck at it.
diana_coman: alternatively you can press to ch9 and then add the fix on top I guess
esthlos: if standalone is difficult due to eucrypt_keccak_bitrate_fix, then I'll plan to copy code
mircea_popescu: i'm not suggesting either ; i'm just saying that you have two ways you could proceed. either identify among the code you wish to reuse a tree to nestle among, and then your vtron would be an eucrypt downstream item, or a phf vtron item or whatever you pick ;
esthlos: trying to figure out what patch I can base the press from to get keccak. seems like its eucrypt_keccak_birate_fix, but that pulls in the other components according to the graph
mircea_popescu: months pass, the two meet socially. "how goes ?" "i got divorced" "how come ?" "wife -- annoying" "but there's medical cures for that!" "oh, i tried warm compresses till i was black and blue from it" "no, not warm. cold."
esthlos: so two things I see are: 1. what to do for hasher? somehow integrate phf's item into my vtron? 2. what do to for diff/patch? lisp McIlroy?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 11:40 spyked: btw trinque, I'm getting back to trilemabot-works next week, so I can do the regrind after trilemabot part ii if that's too deep in your queue.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832542 << I'd be much obliged if you did, staying on cuntoo dev until done. ☝︎☟︎
esthlos: additionally, before I make another mistake, does this warrant redoing the genesis (because original item is broken?), or a new patch?
esthlos: asciilifeform: this is 100% true. I need some adult supervision. kinda why I'm here
esthlos: ah wait, so sig is "I place my trust in this transformation", but I didn't check initial conditions, did I?