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phf: i think i'm being misunderstood. i'm saying that fake-tzars were cases of "emperor asking of you", because both tzar and barin (i.e. immediate supervisor) were seen as fundamental good. peasants consistently and historically allocated blame on various random hangerons. boyars, traders, foreigners, etc. in fact in fake-tzar cases the narrative was consistent "evil boyars have deposed our tzar-father and we won't stand for it"
mircea_popescu: similar to the whole "mandate ofheaven" chinese thing - IS he or ISN'T he the "one true emperor" ; whether his being anything in particular matters with regards to "his job" ie, what he has to do is not discussed. even the notion that emperorhood is a job is nonsensical in context.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re ^ and the part where the asian folk donated jewelry to motherland's central bank , quite reminiscent of the 'old woman who bought t-34 tank and named it after stalin and her five dead sons' recurring item in ww2
diana_coman: but I don't expect it really changed all that much either
mircea_popescu: Framedragger really, shouldn't just run the scan on port 80 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://archive.is/rSEYe << whats with all the bs sites that don't work
mircea_popescu has the pleasure to introduce EDLionX , who's chinese, lives in brunei and looks altogether like a great kid (though he isn't a kid!) ☟︎
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol. <- fixed; weird though, as I can't seem to be able to reproduce whatever the issue was
mircea_popescu: or i guess i didn';t say. but i meant to say!
mircea_popescu: that... doesn't sound to me like 20%. more like 2%.
mircea_popescu: all about making "other people's" lives better - well! Should anyone claim they failed they can just change the "other people", can't they! The socialist electorate, always and everywhere ein anderes. That enchanted, imaginary public which supports you (from a safe distance) in your quest as you destroy the little you actually have."
mircea_popescu: this is an eminent case of "Yes, yes, I know how it's doublespoken - socialism is not about them making their own lives better. It's all about making "other people's lives" better. Because it's so selfless and "good" and - most importantly! - because it can't be measured. If they dedicated themselves to making their own lives better, there'd be a definitive authority to say when they failed. But if they instead pretend to be
mircea_popescu: really fucker, your engineers that pay for themselves by the score haven't figured out that YOU DO NOT INDEX TERMS LONGER THAN ABOUT A DOZEN CHARACTERS ?
mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Google’s size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. That’s not a feasible startup, so let’s say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't even mean that it's inevitable with you or without you. it's inevitable with or without your mental constructs. the body will follow.
mircea_popescu: usually, it doesn't work. it is certainly a thinking man's coming of age, when he finally develops a skin : that keeps this sort of bacteria at bay, and that still allows copulation with the other humans.
mircea_popescu: the major problem of contemporaneous, post-modern, post-structuralist whatever world is that the practical equivalency class is the what, not the who. such as for instance : as long as the product is a web app, you know what shit it will be and all you care about is WHO. which is why we have the entire who structure of code inheritance, much to the chagrin of the "oh noes, wasn't invented here syndrome" belated modernists.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: certainly ain't her brudder
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ah if you don't need such a thing - then your gentoo is ready for battlefield, neh
danielpbarron: doubtful. I wouldn't know where to start, nor do i care to have one. whatever is worth reading should work in lynx, and the rest works on my phone
asciilifeform: (single-threaded wwwtrons with 'fire' in the name can go and die in a fire, yesterday, and it won't be soon enough)
danielpbarron: can't emerge chromium because of the masked packages
danielpbarron: i don't think i even have a browser on this gentoo one, besides lynx
asciilifeform: tried anything that wasn't lynx...?
danielpbarron: i don't even care what it looks like, at least it got served. these other sites give an error in lieu of the requested page, something about unsupported browser
asciilifeform: and what means 'won't even load' ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:08 danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied)
danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied) ☟︎
ben_vulpes: wasn't there a qntra on this, asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: and which is why traditionalist societies guilty pleasure is genealogy, as in heraldics or vtronics ; whereas modernist societies guilty pleasure is "self improvement" as in miracle diets and college degrees. (no, the two aren't different, the notion that you will BECOME at the college is entirely like the notion that you'll go to heaven through not cursing.)
mircea_popescu: it's also the deep reason why reversion to feudalism / end of modernism is entirely unavoidable. the deep reason "dark ages" guys did what they did isn't them being "stupid", it's the absence of the modernist interface. when the world of possibilities is endless and the only possible trail is offered by strong identity, be it of the chivalric or v/wot type, society works a certain way.
mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mircea_popescu: in the world in which he lives, you ARE things ; you don't DO things.
mircea_popescu: no. you can't fly by your breaches, can you ? nor can you "make yourself" a boyar. nor can koschei DO things.
phf: probably not, requires a descent/ascent into the cave for the development of hero's journey. so couldn't keep it in his private study or kept some complicated opsec routine with fake needles and multiple storages and rotations, because that would take it out of realm of mythical
mircea_popescu: r. it is STRICTLY because young people lived on the dole much more than old people ; and so believe more in dole. many of them for complete lack of any understanding whatsoever that "milk doesn't come from supermarket" and equivalent.
asciilifeform: hey that doesn't differ so much from rest of the shitware industry now does it.
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect the entire business model is "get archive.is for pay because you don't google too well".
mircea_popescu: note that a) facebook doesn't have 11k paying subscribers ; and that yahoo sacked delicious. it's rare dying things like yahoo terminate items that make money.
phf: actually promisetronic to the max, since you don't even have to surrender the photo. something about the Polaroid part implies that you're not live streaming it to pornhub
mircea_popescu: this isn't one of those west coast things that'll burn down in a final, desperate attempt of the participants to make the evening news, is it ?
asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp subj
mircea_popescu: but they also don't perceive any burning need to spend all their money on $2 btc.
asciilifeform: 'We don't do that anymore. Any of it.' (uncle al, of course. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/gasoline.htm )
mircea_popescu: wasn't the prb devteam announcing dismal holdings last they talked about it ?
mircea_popescu: actually, even if you aren't writing a differ.
mircea_popescu: phf i wouldn't worry about it.
mircea_popescu: ll ulterior ideas aren't.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 22:11 phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pity the thelema doods didn't put a card spade inside their figure, it'd have been a great gypsy-like icon
asciilifeform: that isn't adequately represented in a save-and-die
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know how to solve that problem, but "i know, sexp will help us!" is not. you basically need to redesign a bunch of things about reader, have a custom save format (that will look closer to (DEFUN FOO () (IF BAR QUX (PROGN ...)))). sexp nature will help you ~a bit~, but like mp said it's closer to "let's save AST", because sexp don't preserve nearly enough required info ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: by now you probably understood that 'diff sexpr' doesn't necessarily win, because, e.g., commonlisp sexpr can involve reader macros and look like, say, this -- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose people who aren't me complained ? honestly i was half expecting they're actuallyoffering to buy mine.
asciilifeform: (e.g. i have a 'mac air' here that won't go past 10.6)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:31 asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy?
phf: probably because the first one can be imagined and verbalized, where's the second one once understood for what it is already happened. doesn't allow for much action, with shooting and adventures and stuff
mircea_popescu: this isn't how the greek lehmer sieve worked afaik.
mircea_popescu: "People who have never had an eating disorder won't understand and yet they still feel the need to comment on people telling them they are wrong well no, we arent. I had an eating disorder and it was the most happiest I had ever been, the thought of not eating and not even being bothered was good, I was in control of something and things were how I wanted them to be, I was happy and now I'm over that I'm not happy I hate myse
mircea_popescu: this isn't how it works.
phf: huuh two thirds of these ana recommendations are basic food hygiene, and how i've been eating for most of my life. the rest is a bit over the top, but doesn't look particularly bad
mircea_popescu doesn't want to hear about how irrelevant island thinks itself special, "we don't use measurements here"
mircea_popescu: the chinese don't have the soviet problem with sharia law from what i've seen.
mircea_popescu: THEY WONT FUCKING YIELD. exactly 0 approach for the actual issues involved, no you can't own your body, no you can't want actualities ; please consider THIS approach to a purely symbolic relationship with reality. oh, "imagining yourself as a 3yo" won't do it for you ? ok, ok, there's other layers of indirection available! pick one! YOU MUST PICK ONE!
mircea_popescu: and as per the "Won't fucking yield" disbelief, they'll go to their shallow grave kicking and screaming about how great the reich is and how black women matter or some dorkage.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us still pretends it doesn't know who or what the icbc is, as discussed last year and etc
asciilifeform: 'didn't we explain yesterday, that you are not an acorn? it's ok to walk in the park'
asciilifeform: man in a nuthouse. he cowers in the corner, won't let anyone come near, in very odd pose. finally the d00dz in white coats come. they ask: ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think the boxes knew either.
mircea_popescu: that they picked a specialist which handles bitcoin storage is not germane ; the rat also picked a specialist which handles the fats cycle, called a liver. this doesn't mean the rat dun eat, nor does it mean charcoal is cheese or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: oh wait, the divisibility fallacy ? "the rat doesn't eat because the mouth doesn't hold on to any food!" ?
asciilifeform: if the next lappy comes with spiked anal cone, what, ben_vulpes won't buy? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of worthless dollars sloshing around. what was that ? i didn't... try hard enough to find the real place where they don't have meat in exchange for rubles ?
Framedragger: i'm just sayin', you didn't try hard enough :p
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less, but sum up the trades for the day, do they come to $100 ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ << Trilema - Sad times in the Fiat Empire - apparently you can't give the dollar away these days.
jurov: what reasoning? on basis of experience, i concluded it won't work
mircea_popescu: isn't this fundamentally the work of intelligence ?
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd definitely like to see such thing. otherwise i don't get this obsession with marking stuff "halal" and "haram".
mircea_popescu: don't mention it. so how is brunei ?
BingoBoingo: We don't even know if there is a you!
asciilifeform: it isn't even entirely clear that 'is this a tumour cell?' is a computable function.
mircea_popescu: most aren't interested in your frozen tv dinner.
mircea_popescu: in general they were directed at "interesting" things which didn't include fungi
asciilifeform: they can't breathe red dwarf any moar than trilobyte can.
mircea_popescu: trinque this doesn't explain why ants aren't like trilobytes see. most species are extinct, ants are uniquelly successful at the game of life.
trinque: can't really said to be optimal, just that various other anthills were less so
mircea_popescu: anyway - the reason the yaching ant is such a good example is because - it COULD just fucking cut off the god damned sail. couldn't it ? just drag the seed without the air drag ?
mircea_popescu: what's this, "i'll make sure the turing machine don't ever stop, i'm having too much fun" ?
asciilifeform: i couldn't begin to hazard a guess. but - who knows - perhaps ~had~, but somehow not ant-compatible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, so they didn't have samarae where the ant came from ?
mircea_popescu: but apparently... the acer seed / wind combo hasn't needed any optimization or anything hence.
jurov: they could use drunk walk or quantum bogosort or something.. they don't
mircea_popescu: (this is my stock question to cut the new age-y idiots at the knees. "oh ant colony optimizes" "what ?". sooner or later they realise they can't actually SAY what the fuck it is, because it's not a scalar ; nor a vector nor a bitfield. yes they optimize something, now put it in a hard typed language. what is it ?)
mircea_popescu: (classical antiquity take on it - they didn't have radios)
mircea_popescu: understand that in order for the cunt to work, you don't have to understand its parts and mechanisms. iraqi "elite forces" use bridges and cartridges just fine even though they evidently can't make either.
asciilifeform: hell, we don't even have a working ornithopter, and the problem is, what, 800+ yrs old as posed.
asciilifeform: there are 2 types of ai skeptic, the 'vitalists' ('immortal soul') and the 'shambling horror of computer', 'we don't even know how to make a spreadshit that dun crash' folk.
asciilifeform: you can't buy intelligent at the comp shop.
mircea_popescu: but on the other side of the coin, "As you probably already know, but my trademark thoroughness still obliges me to say, AI stands for "Artificial Intelligence" and comes in two flavors, "deterministic" (like minmax) and "statistical" (like SVM). The combined efforts of various researches lead to an important breakthrough in this field, known to meteorologists as "the AI winter". This is the season when you can't get any VC m