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davout: if you're using more than a keystroke to move accross whitespace, or don't have auto-indent you're misusing it, but yeah, just curious. not trying to sell anything here
asciilifeform: i might like vi more if it weren't also associated in my head with the years i toiled as a sysadmin slave...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582413 << they don't show it to me on 10.9, possibly because i'm now a heathen beyond redemption ☝︎
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/tiimgreen/github-cheat-sheet#ignore-whitespace << because what i want is a diff program that doesn't show the whole diff
asciilifeform: 'A language designed to live in the paper-tape world had to have some major constraints. First, paper tape is slow. Really slow. And punching tape is a miserable process. So you really wanted to keep things as short as possible. So the syntax of TECO is, to put it mildly, absolutely mind-boggling. Every character is a command. And I don't mean "every punctuation character", or "every letter". Every character is a command. Letters, nu
mircea_popescu: well i don't much use emacs so. it must be why.
phf: emacs now has concurrency!11 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-12/msg00378.html there aren't many details on what it's going to do but there's at least one review article that's going "wtf" http://www.lunaryorn.com/posts/a-blast-from-the-past-the-tale-of-concurrency-in-emacs.html
mircea_popescu: anyway, symmetry isn't even it. must be ~self-guiding~.
phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot") ☟︎
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly and i guess unhelpfully, i'm wondering if once specified as above, you don't also get a router for cheap (through implementing a sort of physics where routes attract each other and are repulsed by things etc)
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible !
mircea_popescu: anyway. this whole "google finds thing" is very much of the nature of "i couldn't get dxf to print ON ANYTHING svg conversion IS IMPOSSIBLE" etc.
mircea_popescu: if you can use l-distance search, good for you. if you can't, use google. if you can't, you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: i've long ago decided stuff isn't going to be built to satisfy you ; but over your hairpulling objections.
mircea_popescu: (conversely : search is a political tool, nothing else. "i just want to" jwz doesn't exist in practice)
mircea_popescu: stuff that wasn't linked by anyone linked by anyone in l doesn't exist anyway.
asciilifeform: it still won't make sane search engine materialize out of the aether.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582015 << i actually tried one of those against the svg, and without netlist knowledge it gets funky (edges don't properly touch nodes, because rounding) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, turns out they tried to do an "arab oil shock", didn't work out
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581952 << ircbot and logbot don't actually depend on each other in V sense, so there's not much i can do about it (unless i'm missing the issue) ☝︎
thestringpuller: mod6: "How a nigga gonna stay drug free, when Georgia Power won't give a nigga lights free"
thestringpuller: well you could deal sneakers...but the market depth isn't very large
asciilifeform: (and no, the figurehead officials, with their aol email accts, etc., don't have to be 'in' on it, wtf)
asciilifeform: !~later tell adlai that page won't update until your crate ships
asciilifeform: and, notably, the converter boxes don't work for high-end sticks
Framedragger: (it's sorta-kinda seeing a revival, with folks doing HRTF etc on bare CPU without need for audio chip accelerated whatever, but i believe there's still a.. niche. for someone whoever realizes that graphics isn't everything, etc.)
mircea_popescu: but this isn't my point. go ahead, search yourself, it's just a pile of the usual chickens doing their usual chicken crrr-crrrr-crrrrrkkkk!
asciilifeform: it is very easy to piss on google when you don't have to do anything technical with own hands. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:13 mircea_popescu: somehow however i don't seem to ever want that.
mircea_popescu: don't start too soon. we've not yet the manpower or infrastructure to do a google.
mircea_popescu: "for banal www as long as i don't look for things anyone in the libertard camp may object to, conceivably"
mircea_popescu: fuck me it doesn't!
mircea_popescu: it also doesn't do anything, because yes srsly, i don't need to "google trump" to find trump's facebook page.
asciilifeform: it also doesn't hammer nails
mircea_popescu: oh, but when i want stuff from the log i also don't google
asciilifeform: it doesn't port scan , no
mircea_popescu: somehow however i don't seem to ever want that. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Google’s size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. That’s not a feasible startup, so let’s say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind
mircea_popescu: o wait, wasn't him. some other dork by the name alex clemmer, http://blog.nullspace.io/building-search-engines.html
mircea_popescu: exactly. so no, the svg lines aren't garbage - on the contrary, unlike netlist, interesting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no! they aren't garbage, as you sdaid yourself - nobody would want to see the netlist, because they'd want to see the "unofficial" LINES.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 13:38 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that those supposedly ubervaluable engineers that don't exist anywhere else and can't be replicated (as per microsoft idiot) nevertheless DO NOT COMPREHEND the difference between the present conditional and the pluperfect conditional.
mircea_popescu: then they choose to write in brainfuck and everybody goes "oh, brainfuck, modern language" rather than "oh, these idiots can't even speak english."
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that those supposedly ubervaluable engineers that don't exist anywhere else and can't be replicated (as per microsoft idiot) nevertheless DO NOT COMPREHEND the difference between the present conditional and the pluperfect conditional. ☟︎
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: nono - sorry for confusing - "older" as in "previously seen in same logfile", it's for my internal use so i don't go insane. all of this is from single scan even in 13-14 june.
BingoBoingo suggests relaxing session of whittling with a sawzall to clear mind, shame microfiche can't be clearsigned.
asciilifeform: because you can't human-read netlist, not really.
mircea_popescu: "oh, THIS leaf doesn't go with THAT datapile! gotta use THAT' datapile! except if you feed THAT' datapile to THIS' leaf it comes alive at night and fucks your wife!"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:49 phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though
phf: it didn't but even mp-wp has a bunch of admin interface images. magnifying glass, scissors, that sort of stuff
phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:52 asciilifeform: he didn't release the raw slides ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:51 phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581891 << lol it just keeps churning 'em isn't it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, can't just have a text transcript ?
asciilifeform: he didn't release the raw slides ? ☟︎
phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far. ☟︎
phf: so stanford release knuth's annual lecture in a "360" video format, and the write up is disgusting "stanford part of the future!!1". basically you get a 7gib video/80mib audio stream, a fraction of which is a distorted slides and knuth, where's the bulk of which is audience and static ceiling. the thing doesn't render on anything but google stack and ipads. i spent about two days jumping through various hoops trying to get it to render
mircea_popescu: ~maybe~ the girl really like it ; and ~maybe~ the dude had it coming to him. but ~certainly~ there is no room for windows & co in this world. the advantage of software, it allows definitive statements to be made like that (an inverse of the problem of liability, wherein hardware lock making company CAN replace any broken locks it shipped, but software lock making company can't because they're all the same lock.) this was used
mircea_popescu: because well... he is. and if you take the ethical stand that you don't want to be paid by rapists and murderers, then microsoft tops the list in any reasonable interpretation and that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care, myself, but i can't seem to bring any argument that'd stand when someone decides "fuck him, he's a microsoft tool".
asciilifeform: (pcode can output, if it weren't obvious, another pcode)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:50 trinque: and the process is not reversible, couldn't even put the information in like "this had lf" somewhere
trinque: and the process is not reversible, couldn't even put the information in like "this had lf" somewhere ☟︎
asciilifeform: it won't be fired in battlefield tonight, that is for sure.
asciilifeform: but i don't see a good argument for fucking it but not to deaoth
asciilifeform: i dunno if there exists upon this cursed earth a rope that doesn't break when i go and pull on it...
mircea_popescu: "cold equations" is bad enough when you ~fuck up~, but let me tell you about when you didn't even fuck up in the first place.
asciilifeform: exists but i ain't signing that horror show.
mircea_popescu: hey, i don't want unreadable turds in v trees either.
asciilifeform: and i haven't one
mircea_popescu: yes, per image load - if you don't have them, image won't load.
asciilifeform: libpng doesn't ask for a turd from the www afaik !
asciilifeform: or begins to include something it oughn't
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, you won't fix your set-up so you can see how great a svg i made out of your dxf!
asciilifeform: that probably won't display on my box no matter how massaged, even.
mircea_popescu: t*
asciilifeform: it isn't complex !
asciilifeform: fwiw inkscape won't eat it either
asciilifeform: Opening '/home/stas/gt/1.svg' failed: Could not open '/home/stas/gt/1.svg' for reading: Error domain 1 code 73 on line 11198 column 38 of file:///home/stas/gt: Couldn't find end of Start Tag path
mircea_popescu: anyway, "png as v format" is inept beyond belief. let alone "i wish to inspect this matter and can't use my eyes", it's worse : "suppose i want this to be 3x as large" "oh can't do that". well da fuck.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 19:14 phf: binary blobs remain an unsolved problem. the whole idea of binary (or base64) is contrary to some of the more philosophical aspects of vpatch you and mp like to discuss, so i don't know if base64 even solves it.
asciilifeform: they simply aren't
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why aren't these schematics svg anyway btw ?
asciilifeform: and i ain't signing this shit soup
mircea_popescu: while xml is shit, it's not directly clear that the correct move here isn't, eg, to make a tmsr-cad format.
mircea_popescu: ie, the reason koch-gpg-clearsing worked ok for us for a long time is that while flawed as alf correctly (and repeatedly for a year now) points out, nevertheless its hole falls atop a hole of v, namely that it doesn't do "-----"
phf: you can't do anything with a binary blob, in which case vpatch serves exclusively as a dumb payload or a container
asciilifeform: it isn't human readable !
jurov: i don't see what's the problem with having 8-10x more data
mircea_popescu: "text representation" doesn't have that hard a meaning in this context though. what's it mean ?
phf: i'm convinced that blobs shouldn't go into vpatches, this completely breaks the whole readability/communication aspect of it, while still remaining promisestronic: you have to take some additional step after pressing to get the final images.
jurov: MIME avoids this by generating unique magic strings as delimiters after the fact. but you don't want to, i guess.
mircea_popescu: what, you think it just happened ? it didn't just happen.
mircea_popescu: so it DOESN'T do - - for ONE -, but only for five -----
mircea_popescu: you don't "exponent multiply" the payload "up until you run into the number of the beast"
mircea_popescu: this may even be ok if the magic chars weren't fucking DASHES ffs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you didn't v igt
mircea_popescu: just drop the whole imagination thing, it ain't useful. it just provides a way for you to waste your energy. go do things, if you ask then "hey, i am now opening shop for adlai's electronic dildos, but i don't intend to do X like nsa did, but this other way, anyone see a problem?" you'll get an answer and proceed from there.
phf: asciilifeform: perhaps binary blobs don't belong ~in~ vpatch in general for philosophical and mechanical reasons. my proposed solution 2 would be to extend vpatch tool to tack one base64 binary blobs after the fact. you can grep for "appears to be binary" or whatever it is and feed those separately to uuencode/decode.