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mod6: cool. i'll make that the next step. getting it to be botified.
mircea_popescu: truth is by now i'm not even sure exactly how many distinct projects we're managing, but it's over a dozen, and will only keep growing. gotta import some management tools into all this, casual worked long enough
mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf? ☟︎
mod6: sounds great to me. i was just talking about stripping down atcbot and reusing the skeleton to build a bot for this.
mircea_popescu: and then whoever's maintaining the thing, can read through em, when working on it.
mircea_popescu: so everyone who wants shit done by, say, btcbase, can put tickets in btcbase rather than put them here and hope they won't be forgotten in the log.
mircea_popescu: mod6 how about if there was a ticket bot ; and we had a website, a la deedbot.org, where tickets could be seen ; and we had acess control based on pgp, so that either world, lordship, or specified people can see a particular ticket set ?
mod6: or if you know the id number, do `./t.pl tickets.txt pid <TICKET_ID>`
mod6: when you're done adding/editing or deleteing a ticket, just print them if you wish `./t.pl tickets.txt p`
mod6: i may add new ways to do this in the not too distant future. either via bot, or perhaps by just like piping in the info in from the cli.
mircea_popescu: and then how would you see it ?
mod6: you can just `./t.pl tickets.txt add` and it'll prompt you from the cli.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so how do i create a ticket ?
shinohai: Are those chopsticks on her tongue?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: do we wish to preserve http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/best_of_mpoe-pr in new wiki ?
mod6: ok actually, around pretty much for the rest of the night.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over. << hi! i should be available in a few hours for sure.
mircea_popescu: davout iirc bitbet tried it once, for curiosity. i guess they weren't watching along back then
BingoBoingo: Maybe that it how they plan to profit?
davout: a dumb bot could place wagers on this kind of stuff
davout: i fail to see how this kind of proposition makes any sense in a "pari mutuel" context
fromphuctor: ok, i leave, i have many things to read now :)
mircea_popescu: tmsr, aka b,tmsr~ and la serenissima. The Most Serene Republic, worldwide ultimate sovereign.
mircea_popescu: offers third party deed verification.
mircea_popescu: it's teh tmsr official faucet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obv has his own list ; in the end it's one of those where people agreed with conclusions each for his own reason set i guess.
mircea_popescu: the other lobe is that when buying snake oil ; buy the cheapest. ecc is undully complicated.
mircea_popescu: one is that the mp excomunicated it, perhaps on the basis of not liking how it's being sold, perhaps because he reads the secret documents, who knows.
asciilifeform: davout: it is about who pushed it, how, with what fud (e.g., false claims of 'bits of security' and of equivalence thereof to rsa, etc)
asciilifeform: davout: it isn't about the mathematics per se (though it is quite considerably trickier than rsa and this is ipso facto an evil)
mircea_popescu: davout there are two lobes to this problem./
mircea_popescu: she passed to the bot a command, which contains a http bit of text. the bot took it and made it a deed ; here : http://deedbot.org/
davout: i've always been intrigued about this republican of ECC, is it because of something with the discrete logarithm problem underlying math i don't understand, or is it because of the particular way ECC crypto was developed?
fromphuctor: i used to use IRC in the 90s
davout: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-10#1465482 <<< google translate's fucking unreadable ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "no less than 4".
fromphuctor: ideally people should just move to 4k keys, no ?
mircea_popescu: the whole ecc push may go down in history as one of the finest moments of "being too smart for one's own good" lulz.
mircea_popescu: ironically, they're now seeing themselves forced to migrate back to rsa ; because ecc shit is weak.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor yeah ; this has actually been discussed in the logs.
mircea_popescu: davout it's just that [to my parser] he's managed to merely ask questions, without veering into the normative nonsense.
fromphuctor: do u think US NIST is pushing ECC instead of RSA because they cannot crack RSA ?
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor we use rsa over http. https is about as useful/functional as tor.
mircea_popescu: besides, the web is something that happens in curl, not a browser.
mircea_popescu: i never trusted a browser.
fromphuctor: hopefully u should trust your browser... so u should trust the CA it supports, and so the browser support cert signed by the CA supported by the browser
mircea_popescu: well possibly it's his first time among sane people, so he never heard of this before.
asciilifeform: why would you agree to use a system with master keys ?
asciilifeform: fromphuctor: is it so hard to grasp that the very ~concept~ of a ca is broken ?
fromphuctor: yes, but if they are giving away certs is because they want people to use theirs instead of others
mircea_popescu: so then fromphuctor : the dudes that made that aren't in the wot ; consequently, it's a scam.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ < there.
asciilifeform: ah mircea_popescu beat me to it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't foreget tanks
mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?! ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Either Web Of Trust or Weird Old Trains
mircea_popescu: $google "What the WoT is, how it works and how to use it"
asciilifeform: i have no idea why this is not obvious to all.
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor you know what the wot is ?
fromphuctor: what is your opinion on this ? https://letsencrypt.org/
asciilifeform: speaking of which, ( asciilifeform is winding up last week in rupturefarms, is there still) i met for i think first time a... 'trans' folk (he? she? zhe?)
mircea_popescu: imo this entire "can only play if the game's about me" is very much retardo-puritan nonsense, of the same ilk as "everything's a technologee and i shall better my lyf".
mircea_popescu: can't be girls have MORE than boys in firmware.
mircea_popescu: if you look at how the firmware works, only difference between boys and girls is ONE! Y chromosome.
mircea_popescu: i think it's pretty universal.
asciilifeform: they got this in firmware.
mircea_popescu: why can't it just be "there's people with theorems to prove still ; and their cocks won't suck themselves" ?
asciilifeform: aha. forgoing the nagant is quite a presumptious thing. 'i have somethng more to say in the world!1111'
asciilifeform: and we do not hear from them.
asciilifeform: folks who properly grasp 'i am not special' tend to eat pistol
mircea_popescu: though considering the time the same males spend playing "trading card games" and derived stuff where the levelling happens through SACRIFICING motherfucking other cards... you'd think it'd light up already.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, this is for some reason hardest for males, the simple disjunction "this one is special ; i am not special. it is my place in this world to be sacrificed for him.". it comes more naturally to mothers somehow.
asciilifeform: (you can buy it, even, on ebay, and for some reason the maker saw it fit to sand off the ic tops, implying that there is something to be gained from reversing...)
asciilifeform: ^ the lock is the mandatory usg lock, see logz where i described it in agonizing detail
asciilifeform: but when you fully grasp that 'i won't be napoleon' or whatever.
asciilifeform: imho death comes not when one begins to feed worms (satan knows, half the planet is feeding worms while motherfucking alive and walking)
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's mega-article re how his father didn't properly grasp that his purpose was to be eaten, etc.
asciilifeform: i think this is what he was thinking of.
asciilifeform: but they know they ought to. and 'sleep of reason breeds monsters' etc.
mircea_popescu: so they won't.
asciilifeform: well normally the problem is discussed in terms of 'lazy fuckers won't move'
mircea_popescu: and so there isn't.
asciilifeform: (other than biodiesel reactor tank)
asciilifeform: back to the modern derps, i conjecture that there is nothing for them to move on TO
mircea_popescu: well the rome where term was ~29 years and they got land at the outskirts and a local slavegirl was post marian reform.
asciilifeform: that'd depend on which rome we're even thinking of, neh?
asciilifeform: yeah but had to bring own gear.
mircea_popescu: the roman version was pretty reasonable, about the same term then get land and an orc girl for a slave.
asciilifeform: at any rate ~temporary~ soldiering is quite a modern thing - old ru conscription was for 25y...
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2einZLyjKmc <<< i had those vinyls!
asciilifeform: well yes, above is for the ones who didn't feed the cannon
asciilifeform: as in, 'no you will never buy a chain of restaurant, plow the field and make babies'
asciilifeform: well traditionally the place ~TO~ which one moved, from it, was peasanthood
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which'd be the problem - that they don't move past it ?
BingoBoingo: What does reality have to do with Amherst?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp. << What do you think they think they are playing?
mircea_popescu: problem being by now it's the principal intellectual activity of esl adults, risibly enough.
mircea_popescu: it's a harmless thing for 14yos to engage in, and the basis of things like business tycoon games, a large chunk of what drives lego etc.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: if only there was a way to sell their genius to patton for roubles or somesuch, they could have bought the whole russian stock exchange back before it was worth anything.