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mircea_popescu: what can you do, alf just not as good at computing as phf :D ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926690 << i suspect there may be fundamental reasons for which there simply can't be such a thing as "a tmsr lang"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:06:57 trinque: do you see this as some kind of innate item, or what
mircea_popescu: i'm the sort of guy who ~had to think~ school is cool, or else wouldn't have gone. as a nine year old. i'm the sort of guy who told his father where to stick it. as a teen. there's currently a whole regiment of women literally dedicating their life to interfacing as much of the world as possible so i don't start burning it down, because yes, absolutely, the moment i'm not happy with how things are going there i am, jerry c
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926462 <-- it does that indeed, as per http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/feedbot/c-feedbot.lisp.html#L8 ; heck I'll set it to 2sec if that guarantees it won't fail; but yeah, fleanode provides no actual guarantees.
trinque: do you see this as some kind of innate item, or what
mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
trinque: as for me, I find myself in a mostly unintelligible froth of nonsense
mp_en_viaje: while in kiev i met this brit (at the time masquerading as this local girl's sub, but w/e). as a joke, socially, i said i'm the most pretentious guy you'll ever meet, and when he asked for sauce i told him it says so right on my own blog. he found this a most excellent bon mot, "oh, that's perfect, you webpage nobody reads, not like the telegraph or something".
mp_en_viaje: it's absolutely not nearly as bad as it could be theoretically construed, which is still in from where i suspect you're pegging it atm.
mp_en_viaje: only nowadays, with ffa and eucrypt & rest of stuff as they are to provide a basis, im starting talk of things such as http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130709
mp_en_viaje: trinque, prolly should publish said records as a "testing harness", so new bots can be tested against ?
mp_en_viaje: thus !qs f:ben works as well.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, iirc ben_vulpes bot as well
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 21:16:41 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
mp_en_viaje: (idea is, you !!v a buncha times and safely decrypt, then store the otps use as needed. this was discussed years ago, it's good cuz it don't expose the keys on bot's iron)
asciilifeform: tho as i understand no timestamp is likely to match, so would have to diff with 'meld' or some other 'smart' differ
lobbes is grunting out the ZNC shitter as we speak. luckily has some .py code already that parsed a dir full of ZNC; hopefully can get it out tonight
lobbes: Re: my php logotron, I still intend to grunt that out, vpatch it, and stand up loggers. In addition I have no plans to discontinue any of my existing infrastructure either (auctionbot will keep auctioning; and when I die I have already vpatched it so someone else always pick up the torch). To be clear: Going forward, I will be voluntarily be stepping into knighthood so as to have a clearer focus and
lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
asciilifeform: as in, it gets auth turd from deedbot and you manually fed it to gpg ??
asciilifeform: perceptible enuff diff that it annoys asciilifeform , who developed long ago habit of refreshing log pg on his various machines 'as if it were local thermostat log'
mircea_popescu: i use... bash as least carcinogenic perl/python/php mysefl
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:57:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i use python as 'less carcinogenic' perl
asciilifeform: search uses same indexing method as earlier in phuctor.
asciilifeform: there's a place, at least for so long as we're doing tcpisms, for langs with garbagecollector etc.
diana_coman: yes, my current understanding is exactly that - it's a stink anyway and unavoidably so might as well use python, at least it's quick and relatively clear
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i use python as 'less carcinogenic' perl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as you can tell from last coupla comments on your www, even there i missed initially a spot of retardation (fleanode lets you auth, but if you join ~immediately~ then won't be authed for purpose of +r chans. this is documented nowhere.)
asciilifeform: as well-designed as script proggy gets when written in <wk lol
asciilifeform: i wrote the bot to use the www end's search function, so as to avoid having two duplicated searchtrons in there
diana_coman: tbh I also don't quite grok what's the status re irc as there was the plan to move and so on
mircea_popescu: as crazy joe davola once said, "i like to encourage intruders"
asciilifeform: would have to, as i understand, dispense with notion of time, and go by '# lines'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re synced-loggers -- i sat for whole day thinking about this, but in the end came to same conclusion as mircea_popescu , i.e. that it is moar complicated than appears, fleanode will liberally reorder lines
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't send anyone to learn from mod6 as things stand.
mp_en_viaje: derping about "as if you believed otherwise" is not a workable strategu.
mp_en_viaje: lf-soothing as it may be.
mod6: This year, I've done what I could with the time I have available, which, indeed, is far less time than I've had in say, '11-'16. I know I haven't produced as much as I would like this year, especially in July. I've had so much secular stuff come up, my head is spinning. But reality is, I barely have enough time to keep up with the logs.
asciilifeform: ( as it is, 99% of threads are served by the older snapshot, cuz they concern very basic mechanisms -- but the line #s are liable to be off )
asciilifeform: reason why 3 decade of 'apache' is same as why erryone (incl. microshit) is using that SAME tcp stack from berkeley '80s. cuz protocol was deliberately made so braindamaged, with literally 10,000+ moving parts, that ~impossible to correctly reimplement if demanding compat with 'everyone'
asciilifeform: an' if 'sane server', and 'fuck or go home and tea', may as well then also serve up sexpr instead of the html soup.
mp_en_viaje: but the stance seems tenable that if we're gonna go to all the trouble to make and maintain lisp webserver, might as well make a non-fucked one and make new browsers for it
a111: Logged on 2019-08-01 15:44 asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want)
mp_en_viaje: irrespective of how it gets in -- the fact remains, it's STILL not lisp, even if "written in lisp". cuz it's "written in lisp*" where * = as if it were not lisp
asciilifeform: penalty (given similar algo) is approx same as ada's
asciilifeform: point is , tho, that it is barfalicious ~because tcp~, not because author as such was tard
mp_en_viaje: if it works there it's almost certain such a subtle error in your theme, as an uncliosed div or span or such
asciilifeform: epic win, btw, the server-end highlighter. i'ma put it in my www as soon as have a free finger or two
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol i have'em moar 'classically' modeled as simply 'beggar' energy level
mp_en_viaje: shrysr, must be the browser, because it works as expected here.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( what does beggar do if 'not meet goal' ?? on street corner, he could walk to new corner. but what's the 'patreon' equiv ?? ) << Actual pichis pointedly can't walk to any other corner as they wish because bum fights
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what does this mean , for beggar to have 'goal' ? maybe i'm thick, but i thought 'goal' was to fill the hat with as many coins as possible erry day ?
asciilifeform: the 'session' abstraction aint even cardboard , it is toilet paper. yes, i get it, ftp or irc box might want to represent a user as having a 'session' that might time out etc. but why give 9000 flaky (or malicious) routers between the user & server the ability to close the session whenever ~they~ feel like it ?
asciilifeform: fuckers who designed the L3 shit and the ones who specced the L4 shit didn't add enough, here come the L7 idiots who, not being satisfied with a "file transfer protocol" decide to "support" file transfers over HTTP; and since files may be as large as, say, 1TB, then yes, splitting them into small chunks is very much preferable to sending the whole thing right away.'
asciilifeform: 'Now, as if this wasn't enough, TCP also has a (transport layer) segment size, which must fit into a so-called "Maximum Segment Size" (MSS), which must be smaller than the MTU, because we also need to fit lower-layer headers and all that. Otherwise TCP isn't concerned too much with this, but misconfiguration can cause problems with congestion windows and whatnot, and we sure as hell don't want this shit to blow up. Finally, as if the
asciilifeform: as if the ludicrous cpu & bw waste of tcp weren't enuff, it also conveniently groups (with said grouping being entirely plaintext) 'sessions' for hitler to moar conveniently store & read.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 23:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it -- 'zxc' strikes me as a classic case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 and impedence mismatch generally. it was clearly written as attempt to 'deterministic scheduler on ??? iron/os', but fails, cuz you can't actually spackle away impedence mismatch b/w the underlying platform and the proggy
asciilifeform: the net aint a serial port!! it dun behave like a serial port! and the spackle dun do any good, it cracks and peels when you so much as blow on it ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: on top of this : could just as easily serve a page from cluster of boxes instead of merely 1 (there's nothing preventing the slices from being generated wherever you want) ☟︎
asciilifeform: for yrs nao, asciilifeform thought, 'why the everliving fuck not serve page as a set of luby packets'
a111: Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925868 << out of the question, such a thing as "stealth ship". friction is 5th power of speed, 3rd power of density, a ship can never move fast enough to ever be stealth. ☝︎
asciilifeform: the 1 commercial variant that was defo nowhere near being on the table, was 'consumer'. when a MB of dram cost ~same as truck, there was no question that any such machine could be purchased by anyone other than large org. the only dispute could be re what kinda org sold to, and how.
BingoBoingo: The derps are derping about a piece of paper from this spring as though it is some alfajor like establihed part of the culture.
BingoBoingo: Obama did contribute at the margins by ending production of the F-22 which is very similar to the F-35 except that the 22 was designed to succeed as a plane without compromises because plane has to be designed to accomodate derps that want to plane from helicopter carriers
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925809 << recall mussolini's 'get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely' of ww1 gas in ethiopia ? i suspect this is exactly today's 'stealth'
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 08:38 mp_en_viaje: this means a race to the bottom, everyone who paid for stealth wants to get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925809 << recall mussolini's 'get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely' of ww1 gas in ethiopia ? i suspect this is exactly today's 'stealth' ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 08:15 mp_en_viaje: fwiw, i've been re-reading the symbolics discussion, still just as fucking stumped on http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=now,%20why&e=they.#select as ever. a year passing has brought me no clarity.
mp_en_viaje: bitcoin, amusingly, supports just this ; is as much and as large a chunk as rocketry.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, like bourgeois of old paid to be in town, because have to upkeep walls, there's going to be "real man", who lives in rocket-defended perimeter ; and freeranged animal, outside. a trend already visible ~irrespective~ of the actual military evolution, described eg by mocky in quatar, by BingoBoingo in uruguay etc. walled compound is artefact of same cultural trend as here discussed ; and it arises prior to and independent
mp_en_viaje: but it is intrinsically worthless, because it is ~actually cheaper~ to build radars such as "stealth" dun work than it is to build radars so it does work. and "stealth" comes at huge production (discussed above) and aerodynamic cost (alluded to above). so that's that for this idea.
mp_en_viaje: this means a race to the bottom, everyone who paid for stealth wants to get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: in 2000s, cn took 2nd strategic decision, that rockets many-and-tiny, as opposed to large-ish (scud) or huge (icbm). if you've ever played orion, this is equiv of the early "mir-v" revolution there, game changer.
mp_en_viaje: fwiw, i've been re-reading the symbolics discussion, still just as fucking stumped on http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=now,%20why&e=they.#select as ever. a year passing has brought me no clarity. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: then you're looking at 5 GB of data PER SHAPE. and the year is 1980, meaning 40MB hard drives are cool as fuck, and there's no such thing as SSD (read : they're fucking slow)
mp_en_viaje: now, evidently this is useless to multi-radar systems -- but as long as you manage to keep secret what you're doing, so the others don't know how important multi-radaer and passive radar systems are, they'll prplly continue on the mega-radar trend of the 70s (as they did in the 80s) and miss you. for a decade or so.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-31 00:24 asciilifeform: imho actually a mistake to think of e.g. f35 as 'product' that 'has a price', as if it were toyota -- what instead is that the parasitic toad at any given time demands x %% of the printolade, and produces/pretends to produce certain # of golden toilets, and x / # is then 'price'
BingoBoingo: But as long as 'difficulty' doesn't get tested it can be marketing wanked over. Once operators begin losing airframes, its value goes from marketing bluster to something interns fight over using MS Excel spreadshit comparing it to Brasil's SUper Tucano
asciilifeform: i.e. 'price of f35' is same order of item as 'price' of an individual reluctant fuck from princesswife
asciilifeform: where the latter 'is to be paid 100% of yer money and in return will do as much or as little as feels like'
asciilifeform: imho actually a mistake to think of e.g. f35 as 'product' that 'has a price', as if it were toyota -- what instead is that the parasitic toad at any given time demands x %% of the printolade, and produces/pretends to produce certain # of golden toilets, and x / # is then 'price' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I can't help by think of the USG/NATO/ETC F-35 dilemma as anything other than the ASIC era drama again
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why would change ? e.g. frog, croaks same today as 1e6y ago
a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 12:15 jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-30 07:54 mp_en_viaje: in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool."
jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: this is not even a stupid idea, sell web aerchiving as a litigation adjuvant.
mp_en_viaje: woe upon kiddies turning in trilema pages as their homework!
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool." ☟︎
deedbot: Invoiced diana_coman 0.0216 << Shared Hosting Annual (new as of July 2019)
asciilifeform: d0 means 'dirty' i.e. writes are permitted. v1/d1 are same as this, but for when bit-below-bottom-of-tag is ~odd~.
dorion: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925151 << trinque as of ~20 minutes ago, deedbot tells me my !!balance is 0.0 and !!ledger is empty. however, the txn I made for this request was included in block 587568, which is 86 confirmations deep at present according to my local trb. do you see a problem on your end? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-25 17:30 asciilifeform: ... and yes there is actually a standard. even sold as dead tree b00k, called 'see mips run'
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt: 1980s mipsen not only crashed, but would actually ~smoke~, if 2 identical tags! they had ultra-simplistic dual-ported sram as the table, would result in short circuit ! )
asciilifeform: 1 observation : given that the tags ~must~ be unique (an iron mips will actually hard-crash if you manage to -- it aint easy -- stuff 2 entries 2/ identical tags into the table) it may be possible to use some variant of crc as 'hash' for 'hash table' or similar (catch is, it gotta be ~fast~. as in, coupla instructions at most.)
asciilifeform: writes to this structure have to be as fast as reads, as any time that a query results in 'not found', the table is written (typically one of the entries is replaced at ~random with a matching one, by the os)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr asciilifeform is of same position on 'where to rsa' as in 2013 -- ideally get it the hell off the pc.