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mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery ☟︎
asciilifeform: erry conscript army ever takes in larvae who 'i'm wasted on washing floor' and turns (most of) 'em into actual people
mircea_popescu: generally, the infant's "that man reads, give me his glasses so i may read too", carefully preserved as a ~useful~ fatal flaw in the taxpayer's brain by the flawed establishment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, i run into it with aspiring 20something girlies ALLLL the time.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/#selection-39.89-43.96 quite specific. aha.
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, dug up vintage lul http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ , where mircea_popescu went through the sweat to replicate my failed pipes experiment . where in the end, yr+ later, the correct pill turned out to be entirely unrelated aggression patch )
asciilifeform: then i'm stumped.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so ;/
mircea_popescu: wait, i had more than one ?!
mircea_popescu: problems being that a) i already linked it and b) doesn't even say "name"
mircea_popescu: i get it, the story they tell themselves is that "academia" ie various subhumans ( such as say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_0_71619 ) does take them seriously. this is the direct equivalent of lenin a) imagining tabletop gamers take him seriously and b) telling himself this matters, back in 1925. are you fucking kidding me ?!
asciilifeform: result, naturally, is ~still~ blocking i/o, but proggy... pretends to run while blocked
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: threading in trb is exactly variant of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 -- it's there because idjit had nfi how to do nonblocking i/o ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (yes, i'm using this to raise the army that'll surgerize trb, of course, of course)
Mocky: I have nfi how much influence he still has on standard, but spends entire preface kissing feet of latest version
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 21:39 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841573 << this is all new to me, I've been learning cpp from Stroustrup 4th ed. where he goes out of his way to act like cpp11 is the only version that ever existed
mircea_popescu: "I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. " << that poor guy. i'd say on reflection this is utterly the engineerhead problem, "takes a whole adult life to unlearn five lines of socialist idiocy a stupid woman poured into the 3yo head"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:43 asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode.
Mocky: re: hacksaw skills, yes, I can see the need for this quite clearly
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841573 << this is all new to me, I've been learning cpp from Stroustrup 4th ed. where he goes out of his way to act like cpp11 is the only version that ever existed ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( somewhere i got a GB+ of faqolade from the golden usenet days, some are pretty lulzy reads )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall thread where ( i fughet which one of us ) posed gedankenexperiment, put in an eliza made out of collection of ' n00b: $input mircea_popescu: $output ' pairs, and see what it does to n00bs
mircea_popescu: if she whispers "i love you, master" just as you feel her asshole tear you might deeply regret having missed hearing it ; but if alf says (yes ? name not pronoun ?) c++ bungled smart pointers, what am i going to miss ? it's not fucking going away. if only it did. it's not. the reason he fucking said it, even is because the damned thing won't go away already.
mircea_popescu: the counterbalance, however, being that public conversations are by their nature immutable. what can you possibly ever say in public ? the ~same~ thing over and over again, yes ? hence the http://trilema.com/2018/let-me-tell-you-how-bad-i-have-it/#selection-29.0-29.43
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:35 phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
mircea_popescu: (but yes, i readily admit that the original notion in my head is for replacement to eventually grow, organically, out of the loggers, and this is what informs the "meh, too soon" recurrences http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819587 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:34 phf: i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841351 << this sounds like the fucking lamborghini of all logotrons. seriously, connect ~two~ clients to ~each~ ircd and then have them ring-vote ? i agree it's the correct design, fwiw, but maybe hold off on implementation some time ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i believe so.
asciilifeform: i suspect that playing 'let's patch winblowz' but with fleanode, is not winning proposition, yes
mircea_popescu: but then explain "had convo". if i http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-30#1838270 it's netspliut yes ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's part of how i ended up with ada : found that just about all of the 'good parts' of cpp11ism were lifted from it
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:52:40: <Mocky> is it permissible to use c++11 features with the client/build? I couldn't tell from the jamconfig. it seems like the int64_t type is a c++11 thing and that's in there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841309 << i'm persuaded the problem exists. now wut do ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: wtf do i care what "the agreed upon log" looks like.
asciilifeform: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/22/01/7e2201f558d42e467cc35c278b211882--stoves-fairytale.jpg << '80s ver ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you ro folx had ~similar tale, with the pike fish and the magic stove
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first time i saw a steam-powered sledge. russian technology ?
mircea_popescu: no pure objects in reality, huh. plato, i r disappoint.
mircea_popescu: hell, so would i. now where is it.
mircea_popescu: i suspect "he'd just like something that works".
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:30:42: <Mocky> the only thing I can think is if I can pull out those includes from worldhandler.h and put them in worldhandler.cpp, but I just don't see it. 90% of the methods have csString, or EID, csPtr, csVector3
asciilifeform: i dun think i know the ref -- are these euloric artifacts ?
asciilifeform: ( i assume he was found equal to the work, at some earlier time )
mircea_popescu: the fellow'\s fucking endearing, what can i tell you.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:25:07: <Mocky> and i added implementations of those methods to worldhandler.cpp, which i can show if curious. but this brings me to my problem: I can't include worldhandler.h in any of my code without bringing in the whole cs / ps spitoon
mircea_popescu: breifly back to phf 's discussion of r+ thing : i confess i mostly did it to encourage the "spammer" to put registration in. sadly... went instead the way of http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-13.log.html#t22:59:16 ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'd picture that genuine not-giving-shit will be in plain white rag
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:03 phf: asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out that this addition breaks things. you have to make sure that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs, to ensure continuity, where the fact that the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without trying to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature
mircea_popescu: kinda how this works, best i can tell. "this is the livery for expressing your disdain to livery, and this is the livery to express your dedication to livery, and there you go, a complete experience out of a cardboard breakfast box"
asciilifeform: i recall slaving in a galley where the brass handed out 'company shirts', then later saw'em in the kitchen as dishrags
asciilifeform: ( i'm almost surprised livery-proper hasn't made comeback yet )
mircea_popescu: see ? that's the beauty of it, all these lost fucktards who don't have $50 bucks to pay on my queens fulla jacks, nevertheless, NEVERTHELESS i say, "is very rich"
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the +r thing... we did get the no j/p spam part. sadly the way this shit works leaves no optimal choice, gotta pick this-or-that. is the idea we... i picked the wrong set ?
asciilifeform: trinque: i can only assume that 'make emacs unrunnable on this' was specific objective
mircea_popescu: "what do you think of elon musk ? i mean, his ideas ?" "what fucking ideas ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, had to format. let it read ext4, wut.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it did but by now I don't even remember for sure re this particular one
asciilifeform: i like to put'em on public toilets
diana_coman: re laptop, I can say I carry around one that still has the windowssomething label, what of it
asciilifeform: i guess i have simple tastes , dun particularly need to hear the cuntlips schlick
mircea_popescu: i dunno, to watch ashley lane walk around town ?
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 20:46 asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist
mircea_popescu: first time ever i had to compile wireless drivers.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, let the record reflect i did do it. and THEN had to conjure up wireless driver, because holy shit it comes with an unknown pos atop the realtek.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the "setup" page consisted of, i kid you not, 20 word "descriptions" of the various items and links to "read more" ie ON THE FUCKING WEB. no knobs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but as far as it was concerned, i suspect it also "didn't have" the switch. you should see wtf windows has morphed into, jesus christ.
mircea_popescu: i was about to take screwdrivers to it tbh.
mircea_popescu: i didn't search, just what happened ot pick up.
phf: trinque: nothing comes to mind, though i'm sure there's gotta be something in 70s su phrase book. we gotta ask rotakus though, that seems more of their thing (plus they would've had much better luck saying stuff like that, might've been too close to home in SU)
asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode. ☟︎
phf: i mean, your bots gotta exist in a distributed pool, each does a whois on join, negotiates a spawn of a new bot if there's an untracked connection. of course this is an unreasonable amount of engineering for a logbot
asciilifeform: ok i get.
phf: asciilifeform: you missed what i said. whois tells you which server user connects through. to prevent a netsplit scenario, you have to connect to every one of those boxes with at least one bot, but better yet n+1
asciilifeform: i'm quite convinced that this happened, and that it explains various cases of 'we DID this but wtf it aint in the logs'
phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard ☟︎☟︎
phf: i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said" ☟︎
asciilifeform: i do not recall what ben_vulpes does re netsplits
asciilifeform: unless i'm thick, after subtracting those 2 fields, can diff.
asciilifeform: i expect there'll be spots where a thing is 1 or 2 places out of order ( fleanode does not reliably preserve same-millisecond ordering iirc ) but aside from that oughta be diffable afaik
asciilifeform: i suspect it was deedbot hiccup, rather than phf's logtron, in this case
asciilifeform: phf: http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/ is the one i missed, ty
phf: to close upstack before it gets lost, you need http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-4-introduction-of-the-platform/ and http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/ the later is a full regrind (which i also didn't notice until btcbase failed to link 4 to rest)
phf: btcbase already does that, internally. i've offered people in the past a feed (since i don't want that service to be abused), but i don't think anyone expressed interest
phf: well, i've seen lines missing during netsplits, which i suppose is not this critical. i suspect ben_vulpes's logbot doesn't have a fallback mechanism, so when it drops there's the reconnect window, which i suspect i could find one or two with missing one or two lines. ben_vulpes will have to speak for himself though.
asciilifeform: phf: i mean, this is a 'hole in the boat bottom'-level item, so imho oughta show if you find.
phf: i get it, but i haven't done investigation
asciilifeform: ( i.e. can point to material in e.g. ben_vulpes's logtron, that is currently missing from phf 's ?? )
asciilifeform: phf: have you found that actual gap already happened somewhere ? ( if it did -- i missed )
phf: asciilifeform: for the scenario i'm describing it makes no difference
asciilifeform: i suspect that fleanode will only get moar broken as time marches on, never less.
phf: but that doesn't always work (for fundamental reasons of non-synchronized protocol), so i have it entirely disabled on mine. i'll add it back, but there's going to be an event X sometime in the feature, where both bot and bouncer failed to come back, resulting in log break. with previous configuration that was less likely
asciilifeform: phf: i dun get it, my bouncer worx ( i.e. the user fleanode sees, is registered )
phf: asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out that this addition breaks things. you have to make sure that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs, to ensure continuity, where the fact that the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without trying to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: what were the inputs for the regrind ? seems like i missed something on ave1's www
phf: ave1: i've updated zfp with regrind and the latest zfp_3_platform
BingoBoingo: Then I come to Uruguay and there's critters picking through trash, but they look like white folk. And these Uruguayos coons act more coon like than the black North American coons.
BingoBoingo: the hardest part of any fiat job I ever had was when coons came into home depot complaining about coons tearing up their trash
asciilifeform: ( for all i know, competed somehow with long-gone racoon fur market, or the like. kinda how hemp was banned at behest of cotton planters in 19th c )