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asciilifeform: (see one thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502503 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: even the kind of sanity that was extant on x86 circa '90s.
asciilifeform: because the hardware does NOT support sanity.
asciilifeform: not pointless, but important to understand that result will eventually be the same pile of shit as everyone else's pile of shit.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ...sooo, you're certain it'd be pointless to attempt a small sane kernel for *existing* intel and/or arm madness? (i assume the answer is "yes", but just to be certain..)
BingoBoingo: Note that even "toy" cordless dispasable drill can torque enough to mess with soft tissue in wrist
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:19 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain
BingoBoingo: Utility of delay depends on what you are doing. If you want to counter beastly machine torque with man and a length of pipe, you're going to need some warning.
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: true that. or are you implying that delay is sometimes a good thing? (sure is - now if only the user had a choice in the matter of a predictable delay!) but, yeah; it adds to the insult, methinks
BingoBoingo: If Especially adventurous can also use 2nd man on "cheater bar" so that you won't be only casualty if drill bit binds with material
deedbot: [Qntra] Three Baton Rouge Officers Killed In Ambush - http://qntra.net/2016/07/three-baton-rouge-officers-killed-in-ambush/
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:43 asciilifeform: even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: hehe ya think ?
Framedragger: maybe there's harmony of mind on the other end of the rage scale, too..
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:34 asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
Framedragger: the whole ragerant is appreciated, too
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:23 asciilifeform: the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504246 (and onwards) g'point. there's so much pipelining stuff going on in x86 these days that the whole "we can't afford to do bounds checking" needs to be revisited, ~yesterday.. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:20 asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504244 << ah, i didn't yet, and ha, i see the connection.. ☝︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: there was phrase 'recent events'
asciilifeform: shinohai: is there context for this ?
shinohai: http://archive.is/CYkMj <<< moar tor fallout
asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the message, loud and clear, to 'software industry', from the greybears who are the only thing that presently stands between the 'civilized' world and zimbabwe, is: 'kindly die in a fire, nobody needs yer 'progress'.'
asciilifeform: ^ one in a series of many similar lulticles, which neglect to mention the inconvenient fact that folks use mechanical tabulators, vaxen, 8-inch floppies, SOLELY BECAUSE the available alternatives are microshit and drepper
asciilifeform: 'Stanley Quayle, a computer emulation consultant, has seen contractors desperate to find the parts they need. "I have a prospective customer supporting a U.S. missile defense system that is buying parts on eBay," says Quayle. "Any parts they do find are as old or older than their system," meaning they’re sometimes no more reliable than the pieces they replace.'
asciilifeform: 'Sparkler Filters of Conroe, Texas, prides itself on being a leader in the world of chemical process filtration. If you buy an automatic nutsche filter from them, though, they’ll enter your transaction on a “computer” that dates from 1948.'
asciilifeform: about as achievable for most folks as a stint in the reactor business.
mircea_popescu: usually a stay in an actual wealth management business cures this nonsense. what do you mean "what does corporation XYZ do ?! are you insane ? it doesn't DO anything, it's a fucking notational convention."
asciilifeform: theme of entire thread.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:48 asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504156 << it's the unfortunate side effect of the bezzlar washing process, that the naive / youthful fixate on the intermediate steps as if they were actual things. ☝︎
asciilifeform: somehow i suspect that we will never run out of material for the 'idiot engineers and their tunnel vision' eternal thread...
asciilifeform: not apparent in the photo: the angle of the jet holes. (the actual brilliant hack there.)
asciilifeform: wake me up when wilson sells machine that craps out ~these~.
asciilifeform: for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
asciilifeform: 'i will sell machine that makes banned rifle part X' but no contemplation of 'so they'll ban part Y which my machine cannot make', or 'why not design a Z which can be made by hand' etc.
asciilifeform: full of 'hope and change' but 0 perspective outside of his peculiar tunnel vision
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:59 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
asciilifeform: this is a very typical, incidentally, 'hopeful' fella as per Framedragger's http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 ☝︎
asciilifeform: or, even, 'But if Wilson wins, he says, Defense Distributed has plenty of material it’s never been able to share—a backlog of homespun, open source weapon innovations, ready to upload.'
asciilifeform: or why he collects megabux of donation simply to give to lawyers; ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: or why wilson is convinced that usg will not answer simply by changing the rules so that ~barrel~, rather than magazine holder, is regulated;
asciilifeform: e.g., why make the complex ar15 receiver, when one could design a much simpler stamped (or waterjet-cut, etc) item that would take the same barrels;
asciilifeform: it is difficult to catalogue all of the idiocies,
asciilifeform: in other 'news', this schmuck is still in business, apparently : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-cody-wilson-ghost-gunner-ar-15 ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ibm never quite made the conceptual transition from 'calculator' to 'computer'
jurov: I think it was just because IBM thought it's good idea
asciilifeform: even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason. ☟︎
asciilifeform: virtually all of the technological 'growth' since late '80s, is precisely of this kind.
asciilifeform: these items, including most of what a modern-day programmer is familiar with, are not part of a healthy ecosystem, any more than the various fungi growing on an aids patient are normal parts of human body.
asciilifeform: e auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills. Thus was "programmering performed by tinkerers" born as a concept, and the tinker toys of the unskilled became better and better.'
asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th ☟︎
asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety ☟︎
asciilifeform: (incidentally there is the occasional oasis where this is actually the case, there are banks that have been running same mainframe for generations, why do you suppose they are not eager to move to pc ? to microshit ?)
asciilifeform: software would be a thing that is written, for particular application, once, and still used, bitwise-verbatim, 50 years later.
asciilifeform: (because this would leave no room for microshit, or anything like the 'sek000rity industry', or the idiot face of 'software industry' in general, to exist)
asciilifeform: anything but ACTUAL solution to the ACTUAL problem
asciilifeform: not to mention various and sundry 'seeek00000rity mitigations', e.g., the intel idiocy discussed yesterday
asciilifeform: the standard argument in favour of c-machine, 'transistors have a cost', holds 0 water: the modern cpu is nothing like pdp11, and has plenty of transistors wasted on idiot epicycles to paper over the retardation, e.g., page table, tlb cache, etc
asciilifeform: the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall ☟︎
asciilifeform: where instead of a hardwarized and guaranteed-correct array allocator, bignumatron, etc., there are 10,001 tiny ad-hoc pieces of shit, like the little space heaters, melting carpets, starting fires when you so much as blink
asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine ☟︎
asciilifeform: stack is shit on a ~conceptual~ rather than ~implementation~ level.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: sure, i've read some of it, and will read more. i recall the general source of frustration, 'the whole stack is shit' etc
Framedragger: (incidentally K&R (as everyone here of course knows) included shitloads of hurtful idiosyncrasies and plain mistakes, not that this would be unexpected - just lulzy.)
asciilifeform: this is a broad subject and i will not attempt to further summarize here, i have an entire www devoted to it.
asciilifeform: and, secondarily, about the proliferation and endless half-hearted reimplementation of essentials like allocators, gc, bignumatron, for the lack of standard hardware-provided faculties
asciilifeform: the c-machine is an idiot foundation, which inevitably breeds the pests we are familiar with. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but, most importantly, the replacement of the foundations.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-13 15:37 asciilifeform: the problem is that there is more than ~10,000 lines of it.
asciilifeform: one key ingredient of the antidote to 'everything resembles openssl' is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502498 ☝︎
Framedragger: sure, open source culture is mostly a pile of crap, with little to no reflection on the culture *itself*, hard to disagree with you here. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the entire subject, of software as a cultural product, as opposed to a disembodied thing floating unanchored in possibility-space, is discussed ~nowhere else.
asciilifeform: contemplated strictly here. and nowhere else. because, while various folks made noises about 'throw away openssl', 100% of heathens are dead-set on re-creating the very same culture that resulted in it.
Framedragger: (well to be true, 'throw away openssl' has been seriously contemplated by any a folk recently, i would wager a guess. but perhaps much less so with the latter, sure.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 'hope' thing per se is worth ~0.
asciilifeform: whereas folks willing to contemplate 'throw away openssl et al' are uncommon, and 'throw away von neumann machine' rarer still.
Framedragger: my echochamber saturation is nearing 100% but not yet there ;)
asciilifeform: fella showed up here, was offered the light, vanished.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and for quite fundamental reasons, having to do with the C machine
asciilifeform: it is an ancient idea, and not useless, but does absolutely nothing vs protocol-level holes, which are pestilential in 'existing IM clients', as is i think known to ~everyone
Framedragger: the whole unidirectional diode thing is nonetheless cute, if not truly original or anything
asciilifeform: the airgap thing is a cargo cult. sorta like proposing to prevent ALL disease by washing hands.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:56 Framedragger: "on top of"? but hence his whole airgap thing
asciilifeform: i will point with finger then: '...messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware...'
Framedragger: "on top of"? but hence his whole airgap thing ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (maqp had mentioned that tpc-cev may be outdated, mind. just fyi)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i see your point. but to me "just trust in pfs for both {rsa-4096, aes-256}" still sounds pretty crazy
asciilifeform: 'TFC-CEV is a high assurance encrypted messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware to protect users from passive eavesdropping, active MITM attacks and remote CNE practised by organized crime and state-level adversaries.'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp is a sad, duct-tape-laden thing, as discussed on plenty of occasions in the logz. but the proliferation of psyop 'alternatives' casts it in a surprisingly good light.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually with pgp you'll just end up trusting your much dreaded aes256 since openpgp will do the whole 'session' thing as you know
asciilifeform: as for 'real time', there is this marvelous device known as... a clock
asciilifeform: it used what nuland orderted it to use.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: do pray tell how wars were fought without pre 1980?
Framedragger: difficult to organize coups without the 'I'. the (shitty shitty) turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally ☟︎
asciilifeform: and, if endpoints know one another in the flesh, otp.