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trinque: the claim that china cannot do anything involving what's currently understood as "computing" is not nearly the same one as "can create asciilifeform's personally designed diamondputer"
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's evident that the cray which the us used (ie, max centralization) doesn't work for this. arguably it didn't even work for the us, in 1950. it's vaguely clear that per-rocket chips as currently used (ie, max decentralization) also doesn't work - for obvious computational reasons.
trinque: not as fast yet, but who cares?
asciilifeform: it is as hidebound as ru in that respect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, unanchored.
trinque: asciilifeform: lemme restate that the "stuckness by sheer mass, age, etc" of gcc brings to mind a giant's dead body that, before it decomposes, maybe serves as shelter or warmth
mircea_popescu: the problem here (as well as above, with llvm) is that without the strongarm to kill sipa / force obedience from hardware vendors etc, you will never be able to make a compiler that works
trinque: asciilifeform: I could as easily say this whole "free software" thing ruined the industry and start from *there*
mod6: maybe review should be left as an exercise for us all
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 guy that started as a tester a year ago is now qualified to the point of check him out huh! << yeah! pretty helpful over the last year to have a dedicated individual such as shinohai to help specifically test. and yeah! seems to be a handy bot mechanic.
mircea_popescu: incidentally trinque since deedbot is keeping its own set anyway, can there be register pastebin_link as well ?
trinque: I should've known, bot with the tetragrammaton as nick...
mircea_popescu: or greater lulz, as it turns out.
shinohai: RE: "Sorry, I won't accept your ads. Due to this, I view Mircea Popescu as totally unethical."
mircea_popescu: mod6 guy that started as a tester a year ago is now qualified to the point of check him out huh!
mircea_popescu: if svg weren't such bullshit this'd be pretty stupid. but as it is - i actually prefer it. but txt plox not html.
mircea_popescu: intment, just as I did."
pete_dushenski: cold as ice. and delicious as ice cream.
deedbot: 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA registered as Nivir.
asciilifeform: but it doesn't exist other than as pdf.
mircea_popescu: but im sure they'll find some jews to blame. as per sop.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1534046 << sooo as i understand, euro depositors are in full mtgox mode?? ('we'd love to withdraw everything, but then the mousetrap will shut') ☝︎
asciilifeform: https://www.igolder.com/kyc << incredibly lulzy attempt to spin the compliance with usgism as a 'voluntary' and 'freedom-enabling' act
asciilifeform: y and security as our server is always vulnerable to confiscation. ...'
asciilifeform: 'Since iGolder has a central point of failure (our server may be raided by thugs wearing some kind of uniform), we feet it is safer for us to cease operations. The iGolder experiment has been personally rewarding as we met many gold enthusiasts and also learned about Bitcoin in the process. For those who have no idea what Bitcoin is, we recommend doing your own research. Bitcoin is far superior to iGolder in every way, both in privac
shinohai: Funny enough, igolder hasn't existed as a "company" for quite some time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hm, i guess in context it's not really as shocking as it seemed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533882 << is it a difficult concept that THERE IS NO SUCH THING as 'DNM', because there is no such thing as DN !? ☝︎
Bugpowder: It does worry me, but I put that into the known unknowns category of risks. And pricing risk adjusted EV, still makes sense for me to hold a signifcant crypto fraction in XMR as printer of new bitcoin. It’s harder these days to print BTC without MPOE-bot.
Bugpowder: As for the controlling issue, coopting of the project is certainly a major risk moving forward, but I do think you have too much confidence in the sophistication and coordinatino of usgov.
mircea_popescu: in principle this can be said about anything just as well ; whether that anything exists or doesn't.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder looky : the original "dnm", ie silk road, never made any economic sense. and then went away. FOR THIS REASON. the subsequent attempts to enact this as a thing, including coming up with bullshit three letter acronyms, were strictly exercises in http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160902/from:404/to:404#404
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:119/to:119#119 << as opposed to anything else whatsoever happening, right ? like, if a girl walks up to them and says hi. or if there's an angry mob. or whatever else.
shinohai: Nothing stands out to me as special about, has blockchain bloat, I'd rather use Bitcoin to buy drugs.
shinohai: As asciilifeform says, I see nothing in monero even worth stealing
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 20:36 mircea_popescu: "The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ?
pete_dushenski: "Two months before Obama arrived, the government presided over what was widely considered a sham election, in which the ruling party won all 547 seats in Parliament, But Obama, making it clear that security trumped other concerns in the Horn of Africa, stood beside Meles’s successor, Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, and described the government as being “democratically elected.”
pete_dushenski: speaking of the power of violence as a force for edumacation : http://archive.is/WiEYD
pete_dushenski: as if it isn't happening. or can just be "unhappened" if it inconveniently does
asciilifeform: (refueling was seen as 'dirty' work, unfit for manly man etc.)
mircea_popescu: maybe, vaguely, we might resurect something later that people who are really emotionalyl invested in their youth not having been wasted will misinterpret as "we took it from google".
asciilifeform: the activity as now extant resembles, more than anything, the building of the pyramids.
diana_coman: social as in social-media, ofc
asciilifeform: incidentally, if this is a thing, how come nobody afaik uses old cargo ship as office space.
mircea_popescu: they'll deliver. you just buy your sprat by the pellet rather than by the box as now. it keeps./
asciilifeform: (i can only assume, as this is where he was)
asciilifeform: 'Yesterday, we announced HONR 378Q, and many of you are interested in the course. Unfortunately, as you may already know, AUAF was attacked by terrorists 10 days ago and they are in the process of recover. So we are unable to offer the course this semester; but we are hopeful that we will be able to offer it in the future.'
asciilifeform: think of it as a geiger that rattled all day long at 1000x the familiar background for the room.
trinque: I am on a terribly laggy connection, but people there can be understood as "manufacturers"
asciilifeform: (as typical router/modem/etc.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's much iffier because as you've seen in the field, the idiots who are idiots once are going to be idiots forever
asciilifeform: given as what we're seeing is 'birthday paradox.'
mircea_popescu: there's some periphrastic work but afaik i've not tackled this monster as of yet.
mircea_popescu: (look it up, bout 50 ppm or such as it is)
PeterL: obnoxious thing about winblows #67542: using \ as a directory separator rather than / like other OSen. bleh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno that teeny self-opening herself counts as self fucking.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and who knows for how long. wouldn't astonish me if they are opening the first chinese plant as we speak.
asciilifeform: just as no one will cancel hammer.
mircea_popescu: you know diebold headquarters burns just like any other vinyl siding construction ; vaginal pear splits up andy matter's wife just as well as any other.
mircea_popescu: just as long as we agree woman doesn't have a prayer.
mircea_popescu: a) in a us-ru confrontation, ru wins ; as they have won the past three ; b) only thing hillary wins is another pint of hagen dazs. woman's a born loser, and always ahs been.
asciilifeform: ^ from the 'trump as ru spy' thing.
mircea_popescu: and i'd be much surprised if there can be such a thing as competition.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and holy shit they solve captchas. like... by hand ? << Seriously the captcha problem as been solved by the poverty solution.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as if anyone in the us has any money to spend << waiwat??
mircea_popescu: "The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ? ☟︎
deedbot: 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0 registered as VAodminnTer.
asciilifeform: with wonderful 'articles' such as 'Key Points To Consider When A Buying Car In Kansas City', or 'Choosing The Right Dirt Bike For Your Child'.
shinohai: Hence my scary Venezuelan friend as backup.
mircea_popescu: random street urchin with gang lord delusions however, may perceive you're in not as good position to check their priviledge as the ganglords are.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: aha! So same context of one "modding"? Or third party as in, "Dude can have his complete own game running as long as it fits _this_ interface"
mircea_popescu: shinohai it's not "bickering". toldja 2x to use !~, an hour apart. next day you had changed it to > or some stupid shit and people were complaining, so it got devoiced. next time do critical fixes - such as the control sequence of a chatbot - in real time or remove it yourself.
trinque: runs as bad as could be better, but I like it
mircea_popescu: you know how it goes, if you're the kind to miss out on it you'd have missed out on it if you went to college just as well.
boolcrap: well as long as i didnt miss out on it by not going to college
boolcrap: yeah ive heard stories like that as well ;o. I'll never understand
shinohai: o7 mod6 thanks! nice address this month as always!
mircea_popescu: just as every other "expert" opinion they ever came up with to date.
mircea_popescu: was part of a larger discussion cca 2015ish of the problem of unboundness in bitcoin. even as it stands currently - you can end up with 2100000000000000 discrete items to keep track of ? really ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this xerocopy argument, while at first convincing, readily recurses into a restatement of the children argument above ; but it is flawed because, as granma wittily observed, "cartile nu cer demincare" ; ie books need not be fed.
asciilifeform: i prefer not to add cheap xerocopies of xerocopies to the world, enough of these as it is.
mircea_popescu: i dream most of mine as it is.
mircea_popescu: i count self as perhaps middling student of recursion, as a soon to be 40yo. there's a lot to it, what do you want from me.
asciilifeform does regularly read trilema in dreams, and wakes up and futilely searches for 'the one where he used piss as a lasing medium...' etc)
asciilifeform: the degree of control, so small as to rightfully count as 'homeopathic.'
mircea_popescu: if we are to learn anything from the history of the 2nd millennium, is that marrying performance and lineage is suicidal. so fucking costly a stupidity, in fact, as to sink monarchy, ie, the most perfect form of social organisation possible.
asciilifeform: same fortune as in powerball, only diff is that the respective tickets were bought by joe and moe's parents
mircea_popescu: fortune is deeply not random when discussing girls. joe rapes rachel and as a result rachel is tankful and joe has a new slave. moe tries to talk to sarah and is forced to waste 30 hours doing "sensitivity training"
mircea_popescu: some models who in practice hang out with them (this almost never happens, even in california) lure/force him into a pool. it's not exactly ~against~ his wishes ; it's irrespective of them, which is the point - males, esp young, esp virgin, are very fucking shy, and i dunno that this even exists, act of male devirgination which is not out and out "rape" by the female. certainly not at a sane age for it (such as 15).
asciilifeform: 'As you might have noticed, I'm surrounded by guys, all of whom are enthusiastic about new technologies. They have managed to successfully transfer their excitement to me and have contaminated me with the same urge to discover the numerous possibilities that the crypto world has to offer.' << also great.
asciilifeform: was my thought. but, seeing the rest - probably as real as it gets.
asciilifeform: trinque: it is unwise to treat binaries as portable.
trinque: makefiles don't rebuild the buildroot step more than once, so a gentleman could emplace that just as with the deeds, after having built one
asciilifeform: but the relationship to physical facts is every bit as tenuous as in every other court process under the great inca.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "the technology" is rather uninteresting inasmuch as the project lead deliberately avoided presenting it to the republic, in spite of being invited to do so twice.
Framedragger: yeah at least kirilica works. (though vi displays that as [23:34:11] <asciilifeform> бÐ<9d>Ð<9e>Ð<9f>Ð<9d>Я Ð<92>ХРЮÐ<9a>? (tm) (r) because why not)
Framedragger: no wait. wait wait. btcbase's log displays them as dashes. my irc client displays them as questionmarks. that original dash - i'd assumed it was a dash from btcbase's log, i now surmise. i get questionmark in irc
mircea_popescu: yours displays as dash in your log, mine does not.
mircea_popescu: this is the weirdest shit. so all these display as dashes on my system : both yours, and mine.
Framedragger: damn. www itself is utf-8 proper, but the source of the log (znc) reports that long hyphen as byte 0x96, for whatever reason. this then gets rendered as �. i think i won't dig into znc's mysteries as i'll be planning to move to a different log format anyway (everything to be stored in db for proper search, etc.)