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asciilifeform: ( this was a kind of pestilence in early 2000s, there were 5-6 types of vendor-proprietary wtf-slots, afaik ~0 products sold for'em )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform item is asrock, 939dual. here's a shot : https://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/340x170/247/asrock-939dual-sata2.888823.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox like last agp item ever mass marketed was radeon 4670 ( itself a rarity ), circa '08
asciilifeform: all i've left re agp, is the bound paper standard (yes..) . and it indeed permitted 2 holes ! but i've not ever encountered a mb that had the 2nd one populated
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was moar interesting than this, was a ~port~ rather than bus, dedicated thing
asciilifeform: and lol agp ( interesting q, did anybody ever make something other than a vga card for it ? or for that matter, a mb with >1 hole )
asciilifeform: the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die
asciilifeform: however! this does not mean that the 'progress' idiocy where they replaced isa with a stateful monstrosity, is justified -- one could still have an isa-style bus today (i.e. directly addressable by cpu, and cards have simple 'is this for me?' logic, rather than book-length ???? )
asciilifeform: pretty annoying, actually, every yr i wake up to a mess of broken ssh pipes...
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER it presents in 3 cases per 20 kids in a "temporary class" in north carolina while their school underwent renovation.
BingoBoingo: * neo-cool21 has quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) << Oh the IRC-Cops have a filter nao?
mod6: BingoBoingo asciilifeform ben_vulpes : correct me if I'm wrong, but we have a bunch of FGs available (with cables now) right?
mod6: Lords and Ladies, one rockchip has become available (ready by end of the week), who wants it! $75/mo if you sign up for a quarter, $100/mo on a month to month.
BingoBoingo: Whitened and bleached the random to the point the sweat stains leaked a very pattered yellowing
mircea_popescu: you know, all these "Random names" have a distinct handmade flavour.
mod6: BingoBoingo: feel free to wipe mats' rockchip when you have a spare moment.
asciilifeform: there's a whole 'underground' market in ye olde goodstuff.
asciilifeform: ( it wants 5v, which is a bitch, but not particularly hard to levelshift )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so happens i have a seekrit draft of ice40+isa toy
asciilifeform: ( isa was a joy to interface, dun even need fpga, 3-4 ttl chips and you're cooking )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could you make it a board ? use the agpx connector lol
asciilifeform: incidentally , lack of a sane usb2 chipset is what's holding up the lyso crystal super-FG item
asciilifeform: i ain't waiting 3 wks to reimage a motherfuckign 64GB stick.
mircea_popescu: yes, you miss out on downloading sony camera contents in such a manner as the "your media contains pictures!!!" popup can shoot "usefully fast". this is not a permitted usecase anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 21:33 asciilifeform: building a kernel without xhci would almost certainly do the job tho
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838829 << this is quite conceivably the right solution, and imo a fine candidate for cuntoo list. ☝︎
asciilifeform: if somebody absolutely positively MUST buffer his FG, because, idk, he's generating a icbm launch key and wants to xorlemma 8 weeks of entropy into 4096b, oughta do it ~in his proggy~ imho.
asciilifeform: there's likewise a reason i did not publish a 'demon' to go with FG. ideally random bitz oughta live the shortest possible life, and walk shortest possible path from point of birth to use.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observe that i did not put a ram buffer in FG (aside from the 16bit debias/accumulator ) , it was not happenstance.
mircea_popescu: and that's a complete world-enumeration.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 16:03 asciilifeform: 'After much researching it seems this is NOT a driver bug but a CHANGE in the kernel Serial API semantics. What has happened is that the API now blocks when a Serial device is not indicating it is ready. This included 'open' on a serial device which now can block. Since lots of RS232 serial devices do not bother with any control signals such as DCD (data carrier detect) they never indicate they are ready and open blocks. This is the
asciilifeform: ( i won't dignify 'esata' with a mention, it is flaky in asciilifeform's experience, and not really usable on racked boxen )
asciilifeform: really a sed/awk 1liner
diana_coman: and yes, otherwise I was thinking that a script can't be all that difficult to write for it too
asciilifeform: ( if diana_coman wants to take a crack at this, worx, otherwise asciilifeform will do it later this wk )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re usb1 forcing, i was thinking the proper pill might be to write a shell thing that parses output of lsusb -t and does the correct magics ; rather than modded kernel
asciilifeform: building a kernel without xhci would almost certainly do the job tho ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: seems that you're right re the flag, it is specific to a nonstandard kernel
diana_coman: after reading around on this mess with the usb speeds, the summary + questions would be: 1. the dwc_otg seems actually specific to raspberry pi so I don't see how it's directly useful atm; am I missing something? 2. the manual/runtime pill so far relies on the companion mechanism to force a USB port down from "high speed" to "full speed" so basically from ehci to uhci/ohci; wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist ehci, xhci and whatever ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The other fishwrap refused to archived cleanly. Failed with a generic "content not available in your region" error page being archived instead.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from other fishwraps, re qntra, 'The grandson said they’re not selling guns, but reported that two men recently knocked on the door asking if they had gun parts or body armor. Hanabarger reportedly said “no” and showed them inside a storage container. But now they’re wondering if there’s a connection between those men and Tuesday’s raid.'
diana_coman: for future ref: echo first barfed with "invalid argument" ; it turns out it was appending a newline so it had to be "echo -n portnumber > ..."
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is also a potential iron cure, currently FG at pizarro are attached to miniature usb2 hubs. ( asciilifeform was not able to source pure usb1 hubs, but potentially these exist somewhere. )
asciilifeform: thing eats 8ma, could easily run off, e.g., solar cell in a well-lit room.
asciilifeform: usb is evil in 9000 ways. not only the ridiculous complexity, which makes it impractical to use with ~simple~ microcontrollers, msdos boxen, etc. but also the fact that it is impossible to make a ~transmit only~ (or , for that matter, receive-only) usb device, they are mandatorily stateful. which is the fundamental reason why asciilifeform refused to put a usb chip on FG proper.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-21 03:28 asciilifeform: usb is a highly-stateful protocol with a book-length standard
asciilifeform: usb is a massive cistern of liquishit, with all kinds of corner-case breakages, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-21#520765 . it Must Die. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there some way to connect as a tty bypass the usb altogether ? i really dun wanna include usb if can be helped.
mircea_popescu: this is looking more and more like we're going to have to write a pl replacement does it
mircea_popescu: seems like a fine candidate for cuntoo banlist, if so.
diana_coman: that one I got even 8 times in a row there
diana_coman: mod6, I'd say don't worry about it; as a rule though productive people do stuff, not as if they need to "say" productively things
asciilifeform: 'most people are just going to go with a cheaper & higher performance alternative' dontchaknow.
diana_coman: myeah, 1 promises to eat up a lot of time
asciilifeform: 'After much researching it seems this is NOT a driver bug but a CHANGE in the kernel Serial API semantics. What has happened is that the API now blocks when a Serial device is not indicating it is ready. This included 'open' on a serial device which now can block. Since lots of RS232 serial devices do not bother with any control signals such as DCD (data carrier detect) they never indicate they are ready and open blocks. This is the ☟︎
asciilifeform: i ~would~ prefer a sanely-behaving OS. unfortunately i dun have one up my sleeve.
asciilifeform: the ideal ugly-an'-reliable pill is prolly a demon that reads both FG 24/7 and alarms if rate is substantially below rated
diana_coman: I'm going to dig around a bit more too to see if I can find any more clues of sorts
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma have to do a detailed dig in re the linux tty thing. but this could take a while, and no guarantee of finding culprit in the 100s of MB of open sores liquishit. so you will need the buffer+timeout thing, i suspect.
asciilifeform: so far can't think of a third.
diana_coman: a-ha
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ok, finally managed to get a stuck dd
diana_coman: but a. WHY don't I have same trouble on any of the machines here b. WHY does it hang anyway c. wtf do I do
asciilifeform: it's not a constant rate, 7 is the empirical avg., and depends on environmental temp
diana_coman: a bit slow though?
douchebag: In addition to that, most people are just going to go with a cheaper & higher performance alternative
douchebag: My main problem with the Pizarro business model is that I could essentially get the same service by purchasing a fiber internet connection and hooking it up to a rockchip and then SSHing into it
mircea_popescu: they'll "leave their mark", or w/e they call it now. a giant pink L in the foam of the sea.
mircea_popescu: just like the weev morons, writing "advertising" irc bots to advertise inept usg alt-agenda to me. because yea, totally, THAT'll work, and is the way to spend a youth. ☟︎
douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december ☟︎☟︎☟︎
douchebag: Well, it wasn't neccesarily a critical vulnerability - it was just rather unique. The hall of Fame's just help for my resume
douchebag: But yeah, I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm not a useless piece of shit. I've just been focusing on my personal projects, I've also gotten in a few more Hall of Fame's for some vulnerabilities I discovered.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: and you think that pantsuit press coverage instead of hosing their boxen is the key to fame fortune and a seat in tmsr?
BingoBoingo: This is IRC, I am pretty sure everyone here has at least a little bit of troll in their ancestry. Except for the transylvanians
douchebag: Someone made a bot that's been spamming it everywhere
douchebag: BingoBoingo: That's a freenode troll
douchebag: Things are going very well, next month we're going to have a lot of news coverage due to some audits we did. We managed to find tons of 0days in an open source medical CMS as well as a IP Relay service used in much of Canada.
douchebag: However, I have been working on creating a security firm
mod6: I just +m'd it for now, but a long while ago we decided to keep it -m, so people could ask questions/speak freely.
mircea_popescu: i recall a time the word "cretin" was coined, by humans walking the swiss alps and discovering villages of these inbred morons, rendered stupid by the lack of iodine.
asciilifeform: ( i recall a trilema article where mircea_popescu actually walked fleanode looking for signs of life, found ~0 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i'll bet you whatever you want that much like the #lisp morons failiong to realise what candi_lustt is ; so #linux-whjatever will fail to realise why #trilema doesn't have a problem, and what a voice model is, and what EXACTLY it means to be the intellectual inferior.
mircea_popescu: ~would have been~. were there a father, and were he around at the time called "formative", and could he be arsed to be alive and so forth.
asciilifeform: there's a dozen or so of these going, e.g. #linux-rockchip is filling up
asciilifeform: i dun think there is a cure for what ails these .
mircea_popescu: cuz someone totally gives a shit about whatever totallies horrible things nobody-on-a-stick maybe said somtime, or at least such could be constructively deduced bla bla bal.
lobbesbot: esthlos: Sent 12 hours and 56 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 12:47 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
Napsterbater5: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
mircea_popescu: possibly firmware of one could be rewritten, liberating the item and saving you a coin
asciilifeform wouldn't consider , say, 1btc , for a ~sane~ scope, to be unreasonable
asciilifeform: so if you want a 1G/s scope with os where you actually have some control of the timing ( for e.g. real time phase sampling ) you're 100% phuqed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: note, not in the i-dun-give-half-a-fuck-what-it-costs market, either
asciilifeform: in other noose, since 1st time i asked the q in 2013, appears that there is ~to this day~ not such a thing as a 1Ghz oscilloscope with any linux support whatsoever.
asciilifeform: ( tho perhaps, a FG with only 1 rng plugged in, could be a 'fuckgoat' )
diana_coman: occasionally it needed a few more
diana_coman: also, the fact that dd *also* hangs at time there is a big red flag
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ftr i am still on the lookout for anything like a practicable replacement for pl2303
diana_coman: a bit of reading on this famous pl2303 does suggest all sorts of "hanging" issues but I haven't found anything clearly applicable so far