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mircea_popescu: you at some point wrote a c program which, when compiled anywhere, resulted in
the same COUNT of cpu cycles being used ?
mircea_popescu: im starting
to
think your understanding of practical c is comic-book based.
mircea_popescu: if ceiling is absolute, if
the program fails
to produce output in interval, it'll have
to put out error
mircea_popescu: suppose i can get a process
to overrun
the
time ceiling.
mircea_popescu: not
that i'm against it. but it does not get classified as solution
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the ceiling is a dirty hack.
there's no practical way
to guarantee it solves
the problem.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 16:06 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and
timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example
that what i want
to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be
to add a
third i know is not involved, send
the same
thing
to all
three, and see which of
the susperct
two behaves like
the
third.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For
the exotic salt! And
the absurdity of post-post-Modernity!
mircea_popescu: it does promise
to be a complete solution for its limited domain, i'll give you
that.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it cuts a chunk of
the domain which is conveniently choseb
BingoBoingo: Roundup Xtend 3 is going
to be pretty full with all of
the week's almost news.
mircea_popescu: THIS is
the important point of security. not "you can't", but "of course you can - which would you prefer"
mircea_popescu: attacker is very free
to discover any
topology he likes, much in
the way attacker is welcome
to decipher otp message
to anything he pleases.
phf: right
timing attacks with gpg as backend i get. i assumed
that attacker being able
to discover
topology is a given (with spec as written)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:41 asciilifeform: (and i will point out
that i started on my concept long before mircea_popescu wrote it.)
mircea_popescu: if - for instance, and do not reduce
to merely
this - 1 and 3 answer in 200ms and 2 answers in 600ms, i have my answer don't i.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529659 << and
timing attacks, of course. of all numerous kinds - suppose as a banal example
that what i want
to do is discern whether key X is yours or his. well, a simple solution would be
to add a
third i know is not involved, send
the same
thing
to all
three, and see which of
the susperct
two behaves like
the
third.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 03:13 phf: hehe, actually ambush strategy is one of
the reasons
there's no known solutions for general networks, which must be a bummer for dod
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don't
think
there's a solution
to drowned in sibyl's in general.
there's a cost
to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd,
there's no "validate
the ip, and
then
trust it" which is what i mean by "no
trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.
mircea_popescu: everyting "can be construed as
trust" if one has
this scalar notion of
trust. "here is what body doing X
thing reported its IP
to be at
the
time it was doing
the X
thing" is a very different statement from "i expect
to find my house at
the corner of cunt street with shit creek"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:49 Framedragger:
that can be construed as
trust, but yeah ok.
BingoBoingo: <phf> but we don't even have an equivalent of "great
thing until it wasn't" produced by
tmsr << BitBet follows, but was produced by
TMSR blastocyst
mircea_popescu: or how did
they call
this in ru ? where lenin's wife went, and all
the other ambitious wives followed
mircea_popescu: Price, executive director of
the Human Rights Data Analysis Group."
mircea_popescu: Their successors include Matt Blaze, a widely known cryptographer and associate professor at
the University of Pennsylvania; Cindy Cohn, Ms. Steele’s successor as executive director at
the Electronic Frontier Foundation; Bruce Schneier, a security author and expert; Gabriella Coleman, an anthropologist at McGill University who writes about online activism; Linus Nordberg, a longtime internet and privacy activist; and Megan
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for
the record, "The departing directors are Meredith Hoban Dunn, Ian Goldberg, Julius Mittenzwei, Rabbi Rob
Thomas, Wendy Seltzer and
two of
Tor’s co-founders, Roger Dingledine and Nick Mathewson. Mr. Dingledine and Mr. Mathewson will remain as leaders of
Tor’s
technical research and development.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-28 17:01 ascii_field: when folks start
to attempt decryption of whatever piece of shit, just for
the asking -
then yes, acca
phf: i
took cmsc414 with him
mircea_popescu: ie, you
trying
to work on it resulted in you being mildly annoyed by what you perceived as out of place comms, which upon actual investigation
turned out
to be different from what originally seemed
to be, and in
the process of examining difference important feature of shoreline became illuminated and so on.
mircea_popescu: phf no i know. my whole point was
that it works as intended.
phf: mircea_popescu: it is part of grokking. simply
to understand where chose-ciphertext comes in into
the whole system, rather
than just reddit
the conversation. i
think we just had a
thread about it. i vaguelly suspect
the result for an observer is going
to be a smug conviction about words
mircea_popescu: how did it go, "part of groking" or somesuch. i read
this recently!
phf: apparently it's even in
the spec
mircea_popescu: which
takes us
to
the conclusion of
the dispute : yeah he's loud and awkward about it ; but
there's genuine problems involved.
phf: btw is it possible
to chosen-ciphertext attack gpg if it were
to sit on
the wire?
☟︎ phf: but we don't even have an equivalent of "great
thing until it wasn't" produced by
tmsr
phf: asciilifeform: so far we don't have a complaining problem
though
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:27 mircea_popescu: for
that matter, refer
to recent republican record : rando whore divorcing businessman recently got less
than 1% of his net worth, and
then
the judge ridiculed her and cut her loot by 2/3 on apeal.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:17
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "The beta-males also wish
to be alpha, but for whatever reason
they are realistically incapable of it, so
they must accept
the role of
trying
to impregnate a female when she is fertile by keeping her away from an alpha-male." interesting perspective.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 14:15 phf: particular
transport. never
the less when
the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager
to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort
to drone you out long enough
to actually attempt
the implementation, and since in my experience attempting
the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i
think you repeating
the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was a lulzy situation, montevideo was "besieged" for like a decade,
they (mostly foreign merchants) ended up calling out a foreign legion, garibaldi showed up...
phf: well, unless you mean
that his childhood abroad is what made him, he was still a frenchman born in a consulate, and he went back
to Paris when he was young
mircea_popescu: "he was a romanian writer from vojvodina (a serb land) in
the kingdom of hungary, part of
the empire" sorta deal, i guess.
mircea_popescu: published 1868. banda oriental was buenos aires congress 1800-1815, kingdom of brazil 1915-1940, rosas
till 49 (and check out
the guerra grande btw alf, dude
totally beat anglo-french coallition
through exhaustion, forced
them intio humiliatory peace
treaty) and
then brazil
til 1900 or such
phf: well, i know
that lautreamont didn't consider maldoror his serious novel (he died young
though, so i
think it was his only output, plus some poetry) and it was explicitly inspired by .. romantic literature of
the
time. considering how over
the
top nihilist it is, i assumed
that it was a joke
mircea_popescu: this must be one of
those cases where "borders changed so historical nationalities changed"
phf: Uruguay according
to wikipedia
phf: but but i didn't mean gothic straight here, i
think
that maldoror specifically is already a parody
mircea_popescu: keep
teh faith pure brother! and guard from
teh corruptors!
phf: oh ffs, you are right it is a wikipedism, since i was convinced
that it was gothic genre in su school also
mircea_popescu: Фантастический мир русской романтической повести <
there we go!
teh russians even agree omg im so impressed.
mircea_popescu: no i shall insist, because it's fucking annoying. buncha losers. so what, walpole
thinks it's ok
to
tongue in cheek "a gothic novel" ? at
the
time
the word had a meaning, and yes it is a certain forlorn grandiosity et all.
phf: i don't
think i meant it in lj sense. i was
thinking maldoror specifically, he said something like
that in
the first chapter
mircea_popescu: phf also, let me register with you my displeasure at you abusing "gothic". it really dun mean what lj
thinks it means.
mircea_popescu: ie, it is
traditional, in
the sense of "traditional marriage"
traditional.
mircea_popescu: (ironically,
this arrangement has more historical exposure
than everything
that passes for "modern democracy". it's both how
the ottoman empire worked ; as well as how
the jews did middle east for five centuries.)
mircea_popescu: his mother should arrange him better playdates
through whoring out
to lucas or whoever's rich and give him money / hire hookers.