asciilifeform: ( i actually have a b00k by orig designer of z80, where he actually walks through the die, transistor by transistor, as if it were picasso )☟︎
asciilifeform luvvvs laboratory glass, at one time had a fairly large collection, prolly enuff to be jailed for 25yr in new york or wherever it was
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that there's a shop selling items like that thing on ~erry street where i live. and some are quite elaborate, over a metre tall, and clearly hand-made, very ornate. possibly the last major handicraft remaining in this here orcistan.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: evidently the paper can be whatever they like, if rng-generated names are apparently ok nao
asciilifeform: also i dunget what is the point of 'seekrit charges' etc. already pretty clear that if d00d ever ends up in reich he'll be rolled in bear cage to the national square where drawn and quartered, what 'charges'
asciilifeform: Mocky: if it aint mega-seekrit, what precisely was it that happened to you ? house burned down ?
asciilifeform: ( even if it is 'custom' in the sense of being a write-once rom . these, too , saleable, i'd buy a whole crate right nao if anybody were selling )
asciilifeform: as for 'resist', the only sense in which it does is that the scheme has very little (tho not zero) reward for custom irons, any storage device that is good for 'proof of blox-on-disk' is also a good general-purpose random access store, and is saleable commodity
asciilifeform: the ballast could just as readily be FG output, but i like this variant much moar ( and it removes the suspicion that 'they used prng and can trot out the seekrit formula and save 200GB of space in their seekrit miner' etc )
asciilifeform: ( and as side effect helps to cement classical btc history 4evah )
asciilifeform: this way the miner immediately needs 200GB of random access, to play.
asciilifeform: btw i was going through my ffa notebooks and found a margin note that was actually about this, that prolly oughta go in the l0gz : if yer 'pow' is a walk-through-storage, 1 problem is that initial state of the system gives too little material to walk. so 1 interesting answer might be to include a 'ballast', consisting of, say, the first 9 yrs of classical btc blox, 1...N, that is part of the luby'd set (as raw bytes, rather than as m
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, tho i was extending the chain of the thread we had re that piece in '17
asciilifeform: the part where it wins is that it actually forces folx to store the blox, rather than 'resist' anyffing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872802 << 'proof of disk' is 'solution' in the sense that the amt of disk required grows 4evah ( just as what we have now in trad btc, except that shitoshi did not see it fit to include block-walks in mining eqn ) . granted it doesn't magic away the 'only asia' thing, nuffin could, as mircea_popescu pointed out in the horse example. may very well transform 'chinese monopoly' to 'korean'☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872781 << imho 'no can haz' proofs are the single most valuable type of result in all of mathematics. they remove (for sane folx, at least, there ~are~ still circle-squarers walking around) dead ends from consideration, save much brain juice for other things that actually yield☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other thing -- i have a vague sympathy for the 'asic-resist' perpetuum-mobile folx; i dun particularly see what's so great about chinese monopoly on mining in classical btc. but it is tempered by the fact that they're some admixture of outright scamola and dumb-as-rocks -- consider, we described a perfectly-usable 'disk-hard' pow algo, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620665 , and they're still derping with 'ram-har☝︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: how is gringostan treating you ? miss the desert yet ?
asciilifeform: thing also seems to dominate the mining-with-virii niche currently, which is how it came to asciilifeform's attention
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872728 << the only part of the scheme that dun immediately make sense is how he drummed up exchange rate for his lolcoin; i'ma guess it was with the standard 'wash trade' sleight of hand☝︎
asciilifeform suspects that there are other lulz like this to be found in the 'asic resistant alts' circus, but does not actively follow the subj
asciilifeform: ( it so happens that asciilifeform knows that fpga with 2MB sram became available just as that thing was written )
asciilifeform: i knew about his lossy signatures nuttery, but not about this, it doubles the lulz
asciilifeform: tldr : heathen altcoin hash algo which supposedly 'memory hard', but then you look and it only wants 2MB ( and possibly less, with optimizations) -- evidently so that fluffypony or watshisname could use ~his~ seekrit fpga..☟︎
asciilifeform never ran into the thing previously , somehow, and then saw and wtf
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, an almost ~exact opposite~ of asciilifeform's experience in digging up ada ( reputation for gnarl, turns out actually simple & clean 'when used as prescribed' ) , risc-v - reputation for 'simple and clean', turns out ball o' hair
asciilifeform: 'you bolt shit to side of rifle, still not hit broad side of barn'
asciilifeform: and buncha crapola -- page table, floating point, etc. that simply dun need to exist.
asciilifeform: ( attraction is supposed to be 'open standard', 'no royalty', whatever. but still bizarrely imho complex. e.g. variable-length instructions -- wai!?? )
asciilifeform: speaking of heathen gnarl, took another look coupla wks ago at 'risc-v' ( e.g. instr set https://archive.is/TfPrq ) and pretty depressing. yes it's the simplest cpu currently targeted by gcc , and somebody even sells iron nao, but still a mess.
