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asciilifeform: at least the soviet zeks mined gold, uranium, coal. what's mined in the u.s. inner city?
asciilifeform: in this case, more like burning furniture.
asciilifeform: gotta exploit a thermodynamic gradient of sorts, to make a big splash happen.
asciilifeform: quite a trick. see 'the death & life of great american cities.'
asciilifeform: and the malcontents carted away in obamawagen.
asciilifeform: nice alliterative ring.
asciilifeform: 'obamabox' maybe.
asciilifeform: when will Mr. O order the construction of a thousand crappy tenements that can bear his name...?
asciilifeform: 'Hruschobas' for all.
asciilifeform: the static workfunction is not entirely unlike this cigar.
asciilifeform: to which the general replied - 'it wouldn't dare.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: given that the whole shebang 'might explode'
asciilifeform: a grunt, risking court martial, asked the general to put out his smoke
asciilifeform: it is said that he never spat out his enormous cigar, and once appeared with such near a bomber at a fueling pump
asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of a story told about General Curtis LeMay
asciilifeform: but it is quite certainly so in the specific instance currently in use.
asciilifeform: one would have to smoke some serious strange to believe that the concept of workfunction is vulnerable in the general case.
asciilifeform: it's more a discussion of 'asteroid event.'
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: even if he has no idea why his stick-rubbing touched off the flame.
asciilifeform: the mage can still burn the village to the ground
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think it would wake people up into the dynamic-workfunction heresy?
asciilifeform: any reason such a beast wouldn't function as a miner?
asciilifeform: hence the pristine meat.
asciilifeform: right.
asciilifeform: bz-bzzz. where are the other flies on this dusty space rock...
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, hypothetical 'superminer' would be an ultimately analog system. with no well-understood explanation for why it works.
asciilifeform: here's a lead for anybody who wants to play: http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ascot/paper/paper.html
asciilifeform: maybe some wealthy joker ought to fund a 'Perimeter Institute' for btc.
asciilifeform: but maybe that's like thinking that a sufficiently juicy chunk of rotten meat, placed on the moon, will somehow attract flies.
asciilifeform: the cookie jar is far too full for somebody not to try an interesting an unorthodox approach to empty it.
asciilifeform: just as RSA-breaking has not been proven to require fast factoring.
asciilifeform: dexX7: not necessarily. more efficient mining doesn't need a SAT solution in the general case.
asciilifeform: satcoin: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html ☟︎
asciilifeform: or, anybody still alive knows how to wrangle gallium arsenide logic?
asciilifeform: now would be the perfect time for an 'asteroid' event (e.g. somebody gets SATCOIN hasher working.)
asciilifeform: opc0d3: there are no people here. just a script, running on a PDP-8 drywalled into a closet, door painted over, at NSA campus.
asciilifeform: 'barrel doesn't /have/ to be 7.62mm! fiat!'
asciilifeform: what's next? some joker will say that an AK round is 'fiat' currency?
asciilifeform: people will put up with astounding levels of dysfunction because 'they want to get things done.'
asciilifeform: qwerty's still here.
asciilifeform: exciting, until you realize 1) it won't happen, and 2) it must
asciilifeform: just try telling people: 'yes, you'll have to throw away your RAM. and every line of code anyone's ever written.'
asciilifeform: don't worry, not much risk of it actually happening in real life.
asciilifeform: mod6: once you understand how much of what you presently know will be irrelevant (actually, harmful) after a serious rethinking of computing, you'll shit yourself.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
asciilifeform: software sucks because hardware sucks. 'you can't pour a bullet from shit.'
asciilifeform: and they say 'you're a nut. we wanna get stuff done Right Now.'
asciilifeform: mod6: see, i tell people, 'trinary logic, clockless Muller gates, direct execution of high-level language.'
asciilifeform: Ademan: http://www.urbit.org/
asciilifeform: used to run freebsd at home, at one time
asciilifeform: but never as a foundation for anything claiming to be a 'redesign of computing'
asciilifeform: linux, as 'necessary evil'
asciilifeform: i'd prefer something that isn't a turd.
asciilifeform: the 1st biggest?
asciilifeform: right.
asciilifeform: this kind of thing has to be done from silicon up.
asciilifeform: a 'from scratch' OS on top of the world's 2nd biggest steaming turd is a bad thing, regardless of how close it can be brought to an approximation of working, through brute sweat.
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as an 'impedance mismatch.'
asciilifeform: the idea of implementing something on urbit would be more interesting if the thing actually worked.
asciilifeform: all entirely unnecessary, and crap i want no part of.
asciilifeform: now he and the merry band are fighting memory leaks, inexplicable crashes, and other joys.
asciilifeform: that building on c/unix is a mistake
asciilifeform: tried to talk some sense into the author back in '10
asciilifeform: me? never really was, aside from having solved the 'entrance exam'
asciilifeform: 'all who don't understand btc, are doomed to reinvent it'
asciilifeform: mod6: not like i thought up any of this personally
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: see 'millionaire protocol' for hint.
asciilifeform: that is, players agree on what constitutes a 'go' signal, and arrive at a set of split secrets that can be added up to said signal, verifiably - without a dealer.
asciilifeform: for extra points: 'byzantine' scheme, sans dealer.
asciilifeform: well, dealer presumably has the key being split
asciilifeform: that is, for all pubkeys, for each - can prove that it is a share. and that no others exist.
asciilifeform: exercise for the (very) alert reader: come up with a scheme where you can prove the actual number of distinct shareholders, given their pubkeys (allowed to assume they aren't all sockpuppets)
asciilifeform: simplest way i can think of is rsa with >2 private primes (lamport, or see MP's writeup)
asciilifeform: so k of m shares gives you key, but k-1 should give you bupkis.
asciilifeform: (must conjecture that trapdoors exist. naturally)
asciilifeform: if the shares are distinguishable from noise, they contain information which pertains to the key. (obvious.) hence said information must be a 'one way' ticket.
asciilifeform: what i meant was something rather more subtle
asciilifeform: mod6: that's true of any signature algo that uses a nonce
asciilifeform: (proof is an exercise for alert reader.)
asciilifeform: it (provably) 'does what's printed on the box.'
asciilifeform: if your application doesn't need the provability part, use ordinary (e.g. Shamir's) secret-splitter.
asciilifeform: normally in a secret-splitter, the individual shares are indistinguishable from noise.
asciilifeform: tricky bit is: to avoid leaking key.
asciilifeform: there's probably a thousand ways to do it.
asciilifeform: mod6: trying to implement provable-share secret-splitting?
asciilifeform: yah, a standard, like EBCDIC.
asciilifeform: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ICS21RWrg
asciilifeform: 'And the great fleas, themselves, in turn / Have greater fleas to go on; / While these again have greater still, / And greater still, and so on...'
asciilifeform: 'Big fleas have little fleas, / Upon their backs to bite 'em, / And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so, ad infinitum...'
asciilifeform: MP, that you?
asciilifeform: http://beautifuldecay.com/2013/06/07/the-obsessively-detailed-linocut-portraits-of-mircea-popescu/ ☟︎
asciilifeform: point is, some things you don't prevent, you just live with them - and try to set up a world where they aren't especially tempting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that would make K and M 'interesting', wouldn't it.
asciilifeform: pankkake: how do you prevent an attack by incoming MIRV ICBM?
asciilifeform: ('tis that or slavecoin.)
asciilifeform: i tell you, programmable werkfunctions are the altcoinfuture.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: LTC hums along until somebody remembers that you can plug RAM into an ASIC.
asciilifeform: mike_c: that piece is definitely 'cringe material'.