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phf: i think the point is that you can't design the process for an arbitraray chain of transformations
asciilifeform: (even if bootloader -- wasn't)
mircea_popescu: phf the premise ("1 item can be compromised") is true ; this however is not a ~systematic~ concern. the reason it isn't a systematic concern has everything to do with the imaginary concept of "the hash with checksum". suppose 1) a hash function existed which 2) contained a secret which 3) allowed the possessor to distiguish possible inputs into two classes and then on the basis of the result know whether the input that led to
phf: well, i didn't finish
mircea_popescu: i don't have full control over turbulent flow, nevertheless fly unmolested. and so following.
mircea_popescu: phf this is elementarily false. i don't have full control over eg female biology, enjoy full control over my slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: phf now now. don't squirm away. let's have the discussion. what exactly IS the concern.
trinque: answer's trivially yes, but size of the thing isn't moot. or do I misrepresent phf?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if i can't connect comp to $othercomp at bus speed - you lost me.
asciilifeform: it isn't a 'separate matter', it is a lifetime of liquishit pumping
mircea_popescu: i think we're not talking of the same thing. so, i have, for the sake of argument, a 50k line bcc, which builds c and doesn't optimize. it's my bootstrapping compiler. it runs on musl, say. i fire up a pogo, put this on, and proceed to build a kernel during the next week.
mircea_popescu: if i come up with random "will you phf guarantee to me that if i swab her cheek on so and so date there won't be a spermatozoid in the microscope field", you'll just shrug.
mircea_popescu: phf which is my point. trust is not binary. yes you trust her, but many things she thinks you care about you don't, and even more you care in different contexts and to different levels than she imagines.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think nature of bootstrapping problem is that you have to choose a bedrock that you can affect, and that bedrock falls under counterparty problem. if your bedrock is hardware, then it's foundries that you trust. if your bedrock is a "a unix" then you need to trust a large binary blob. yes you can construct a rube goldberg that gives you unix from bedrock without having trust, but we don't have anything like that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alternative is to buy shitbox built by chinese for argentina, where power cord comes out of bottom ? and gentoo won't boot
ben_vulpes: myeah, still took the americhanskis a few decades to figure it out, and most haven't yet.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the notion that computers are mass market items are ridiculous. no, rakim didn't want one in 1977 either.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sterling: "i'm astonished that i will probably outlive the 'personal computer'. what would anyone want one of those for these days anyways. 'hey you, do you want a personal computer? you can...compute on it! in private! nobody would ever know!' it just doesn't sell to the touchscreen zombies, no offense to present company."
phf: mircea_popescu: tcc doesn't run on bare metal though
mircea_popescu: i seriously don't see the problem with "i trust this pared down version of tcc - it builds a very slow blob but it does build it - and these tools which i read myself"
phf: lisp machine fwiw doesn't solve bootstrapping problem either.. have to trust a binary blob that you got from your l1
mircea_popescu: and afaik it wasn't specifically written to solve the bootstrap problem. prolly could be shortened thertefore.
phf: mircea_popescu: yes, the "you don't actually need a machine, just gcc and userland"
phf: that pretends like bootstrapping problem doesn't exist though. "step 1 find a unix box you can fully trust!1"
a111: Logged on 2013-07-08 13:30 mircea_popescu: just like i showed the SDRs as the exact equivalent, and people ignored it because well... they never had one so it don't exist.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is the principal reason mp doesn't speak against the bsd subversion/heresy.
ben_vulpes: ubi can't happen soon enough
phf: portage doesn't include the original source code, so even if you have the tree, need to make sure that all the external urls resolve
mircea_popescu: but i confess it'd still be a great thing if i actually had a canned answer for "oh, eulora doesn't run on my system". and it'd be lovely if it'd just happen to consist of you know, $item tmsr actually wants to take over.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you somehow, somewhere got a box where it wouldn't even boot the install disk
mircea_popescu: i know i couldn't get it to the point where eg it's in the eulora wiki as "do this to run eulora"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 15:13 ben_vulpes: ah cute, `find-tags' is deprecated but its replacement `xref-find-definitions' ~doesn't work with c/++ projects
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more like idiots, tbh. "any problems we don't understand will be solved by the amulet of not understood problems. we sacrificed the right nuymber of goats on the right day, no need to worry about it."
Framedragger: i didn't find it (did search).
a111: Logged on 2017-03-31 19:19 mircea_popescu: here's some random lul : wolbachia is possibly the most successful bacteria ; in any case is the most widely distributed sexual transmitted disease ; about half of all insects extant carry some form ; many species can't reproduce if uninfected, or cant' even survive.
Framedragger: dope'y. i can't see the keyboard through all this dope smoke
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy shit, romania is still in the "first best greatest" age of troglodytism. come to think of it will prolly stay there forever, fucktards can't read.
adlai: on further inspection there are a few small pieces of scotch tape holding the mailing labels in place. if you didn't put these there, then maybe the entire envelope was replaced?
asciilifeform: this doesn't necessarily mean 'molested', i suspect that most mail from usa gets opened in customs.
asciilifeform: ( they didn't bother to re-wrap the tape in the same direction i did !! lol. )
ben_vulpes: ah cute, `find-tags' is deprecated but its replacement `xref-find-definitions' ~doesn't work with c/++ projects ☟︎
Framedragger: were both of them present during power-up? i think the idea is to remove them once it's powered up. then it'd be half duty cycle SAD. (haven't tested myself yet tho)
Framedragger: isn't that by design?
adlai: re:RAGEMASTER, couldn't such an implant be mitigated by shielding the cable? (and destroying after use, in case it 'remembers')
mircea_popescu: can't seem to find it nao.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636187 << mno, i killed testnet with own hands (at that point it hadn't been of any use in some years) : http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_lets_lose_testnet ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ("oh but mp, we get to decide when logic applies and when it doesn't!" "riight...")
mircea_popescu: (this may sound like it's a joke. it is not a joke. review your standard issue systems design manual (don't tell me they forgot to issue you one!))
mircea_popescu: im sure. the place didn't go to shit on its own.
asciilifeform: i can't say i ever had any interest in getting that part to work.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's use, if it isn't obvious, is a fairly obvious abuse. the 'intended' use is of course for chump to be used as a 'content generator' draft horse by the hucksters, a la traditional publishing )
asciilifeform: lulu knows how to do hardcovers, and they aren't half bad qualitywise.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron that's nice, but the whole "i quit lawyering to write full time" narrative didn't work out.
asciilifeform: Johann Barbie BitGo << wasn't this d00d hanged at nuremberg ?
danielpbarron: might have been a trilema article, i don't recall exactly
danielpbarron: that's what you said somewhere, i wouldn't know
danielpbarron: plus all karaoke djs tend to be a little weird in a way particular to that profession; i don't care to become like that
danielpbarron: you found a good venue of the dj is willing to download songs on the spot. my favorite place is a portugese bar where the guy will play from youtube if he doesn't have the song. that's the only way I can properly sing Lil Wayne -- find the instrumental version and read lyrics from my phone
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron they weren't offended in the slightest. i think the only proper way to describe tico mindset is "eagerly open minded".
asciilifeform: whaddayamean they don't sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving ☟︎
mircea_popescu: she did "don't take your guns to town", which was teh only english thing done, and apparently was a challenge to download etc, but the dj was very proud to manage eventually.
asciilifeform: strictly in the sense of 'you can't learn to DO this, it isn't a thing that a generic ~you~ can ~do~'
asciilifeform: freely admits 'even if all of your 10,000,001 barriers to being me were removed, by martians, you still won't'
mircea_popescu: she wouldn't mind doing it in person, but the dude sure as fuck ain't gonna ask her.
shinohai: Lulzy morning when some smacktard on twitter sends one of my girls a .uue file. When that didn't work, sent files as a .zip in email.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ^ (but i don't have a point to prove, just that i didn't see much to blame there, however i could just be my usual naive)
Framedragger: "and have my esteemed pedigree tree"? isn't part of his (by now, tired, yes) point to the effect of the exact opposite? ("trust your biology, folklore, etc., they're better than experts telling you things"; "i won't give advice on $currency because i don't hold positions in $currency hence not exposed to the risk", so on)
mircea_popescu: now you know why i don't tend to read him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other observation re taleb -- i find his works quintessentially 'american', in the most damning sense of the word -- they are exactly 'salvation through method' - 'do-s and dont-s', 'don't use black-scholes', 'do worship at my feet, and have my esteemed pedigree tree, and sit on the sunny shores of the levant, and You Too Could Be A God Like Me' etc.
mircea_popescu: (5th bc, if it wasn't obvious)
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care re "arrogance" or whatever other emotional manipulation in the text. i can read the barely literate productions of poorly washed 5th century jews figuring themselves "god". what's taleb gonna do to max my dosimeter.
mircea_popescu: sadly there isn't such a thing as "brilliant trader" in nature anymore than there is "masked crime figther wearing a cape".
asciilifeform: ain't proof.'
mircea_popescu: this isn't as universally stupid as it sounds.
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin replication isn't the best of topics for this theory anyway.
mircea_popescu: until they are replicated, all successes can't be replicated.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 14:54 asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635912 << i don't personally find taleb objectionable. this position my be significantly bolstered by my disinclination to actually read him. anyway -- i suspect it might be a case of anaphylaxis. you can't stand specific antigens which he expresses mostly to protect himself from the idiot soup he bathes in, the twitter world etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he "will spend significant time" to find... "Research" tasks adequate to that fuckdolls "level" yet he can't be bothered to figure out how deedbot works ?
shinohai: Not like my timeline isn't full of all sorts of things that could help with that. :)
asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason ☟︎
diana_coman: the links you sent are essentially bla-bla; not even theory since there isn't even some clear methodology one could evaluate, nor clear supporting arguments to the claims; I won't waste any more time on it
diana_coman: I didn't mean to get involved and do something useful with "blockchain technology"; I meant at the very least running a node, exploring the network
saifedean: sounds nice in principle except that you can't actually do anything with "blockchain technology" other than bitcoin
saifedean: and I'm happy to send you the work in progress first draft, but don't want to publish online yet
saifedean: it's a good answer when you consider that I have the bullshit mainstream credentials most cattle imagine would qualify one to opine on this topic, and that I did not mention that to answer your question because I know cattle credentials don't mean shit.
saifedean: I guess you'll have to read it and judge for yourself. In any case the topic isn't bitcoin per se, it's mostly about sound money, and how bitcoin is the digital solution to this perplexing age old problem that has fucked humanity eternally
saifedean: well, not to blow my book's horn, but this isn't some waiter's novel written out between shifts. I've put a ton of good work into it
saifedean: no, but I wouldn't want that before it's done.Have a few connections to publishers and will ship it off to them when done
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 03:13 phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food.
lobbes: for some reason couldn't get it working with Debian, but probably something I fucked somewhere. meh
phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food. ☟︎
mircea_popescu vaguely recalls some "pirate party" associated dorks producing lame "oh, can't factor a key anyway" verbiage cca 2015 ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. ' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: shinohai i had some follow-ups for his benefit, such as you know, "why quora is a piece of shit" http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#footnote_0_71308 and other "basic combinatorics or why $nobody can't possibly have ideas / be taken seriously."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635711 << i can't imagine the babe-iosis splittage escaped notice ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose one shouldn't ask what color scipio had anywhere near a marble bust of same amirite.
danielpbarron: i also got OpenBSD on iMac G3 and G5 but they aren't as nice. the G3 i gave up before getting a windows manager, and the G5 has too-new hardware that assumes you run OSX or whatever, the most annoying of which being the fan that defaults to full-throttle unless told to slow down
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635614 << yep. I put OpenBSD ~5.6 on a iMac G4 (the one that looks like a pixar lamp-creature) ; very nice machine despite how slow it is and how there doesn't seem to be any support for the platform anymore. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-28 10:23 cazalla: moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P