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BingoBoingo: Nah, danielpbarron doesn't have that droopy eye
phf: i'm pretty sure cmucl's networking/threading interaction is busted. it shouldn't be, for all practical purposes it's an erlang model (green threads, and async io on vm level), but in practice the code is dodgy..
phf: cheers, i just refreshed the stack so should be less random bot timeouts
BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-06-13 03:39 asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-13#1163124 was the original thread ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: ah cool, i think you might've linked that page before
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i suppose this is neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: actually modern plane is designed to fly if 3 engines fall off etc
asciilifeform: or how plane is not designed to do any particular constructive thing should the wings fall off.
mircea_popescu: this is true. but it's quite sensible to design for "least possible rules"
asciilifeform: it is foolish to design for 'what if my rng silently fails'. it is a 'jesus bolt' failure ☟︎
asciilifeform: the basic error is same tho
mircea_popescu: not in defense of shit rngs. but why specify something that needn't be.
asciilifeform: i suspect this is the basic fear that motivates whiteners
mircea_popescu: thinking being that if the all-xored-with-key packet is specifically known, observer has some advantage in detecting underperforming rng ; but if it's not known then not so much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, iirc rivest just puts key in last packet. there's no reason to have a "last" packet ; why not "one of"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 21:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539692 << that'd be the exact opposite of 'all or nothing', neh? ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Nature has its own nailguns too!
mircea_popescu: hey, wait, i thought they were going to nailgun the other one!!11eleventy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing ☟︎
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Qntra - Hillary Clinton's Twin Legs Buckle Where Twin Towers Fell
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deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/its-better-to-rape-than-to-divorce/ << Daniel P. Barron - It’s better to rape than to divorce.
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? << i have.
asciilifeform: but yes, it is 'freeform' in the sense where no algebraicism (as in rivest's, or the popular OAEP) is imposed, and the output can be as long and entropic as one likes.
asciilifeform: it remains to be demonstrated rigorously that mine does the job as claimed. which is why i haven't posted it quite yet.
asciilifeform: it is a brain-meltingly simple algo, somewhat like 'v'; and inverting the transform with partial info is provably equivalent to halting problem.
mircea_popescu: ha! /me showered, came out with two ideas : an update for article ; and "i wonder if one could come up with a way to do all-or-nothing transforms that are freeform"
asciilifeform: i'ma post it once i get a couple of spare hours in which to write it up.
asciilifeform: -- an 'all or nothing transform' (term of art) that, unlike, e.g., rivest's, does not rely on the strength of any hash, nor symmetric cipher, nor imposes algebraic structure.
asciilifeform: as a byproduct of the mega-thread on mircea_popescu's www, i invented a potentially useful item, that probably ought to be shared
asciilifeform: (is it apparent to the naked eye what it is ?)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread. ☟︎
asciilifeform: my exhortation here was 'say what has not been said,' not 'moar dakka!' (or however these go.)
mircea_popescu: gossipd requires time.
ben_vulpes: it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions
trinque will join the discussion when he has something that hasn't been said, and not simply to "make voice heard" or "join the debate"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 17:21 mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539646 << aha. I'm certain all of us have been reading the exchange. (I hope some made use of !!subscribe to do so) ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally, i must also add that there are potentially other solutions ( e.g., zkp auth.) that do not reduce to 'sh' or 'dc'.
mircea_popescu: and for the purveyors of domestic bliss, http://66.media.tumblr.com/a858a8f1b81fa051e6b49f2003f305e5/tumblr_nhytfvUjLo1qecl7ro1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, it's how i'd do it too.
asciilifeform: i will add that, despite the ~total impasse, this has been the most enjoyable public dialogue i've partaken in, in quite some time.
mircea_popescu: this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello.
mircea_popescu: it's been what, two days ? people need time to think.
mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i drop this here in attempt to coax the lazy folk to join us on your www.
mircea_popescu: anyway, discussion of specifix there plox, lest we manage to lose the ~only benefit so far, which is to say that nonsensical as it is, at least discussion is all in one place
mircea_popescu: of either kind in his production ; nevertheless he also claims dc is sufficient to sink any attempt to implemnet a gossipd.
mircea_popescu: the matter in dispute is how to handle authentification. one solution is decrypt-challenge. the other solution is signed-hello. i reject signed-hello for a number of reasons, both practical and theoretical, which alf doesn't seem to think much of but which i am satisfied are sufficient to sink any attempt to implement a gossipd on sh. alf purports to reject dc on similar grounds, except i can't find anything like an argument
asciilifeform: currently it would appear that each is doomed to write own proggy...
asciilifeform: isputes this.
asciilifeform: for anyone who, like phf, has been 'waiting for dust to settle', here's (imho) ~impartial summary: mircea_popescu demands one particular aspect of correct gossiptron: repudiability; and is willing to newjersyize ('best-effort') everything else. asciilifeform demands that the entire thing have strength on par with the basis crypto. mircea_popescu points out that this building demands an escherian, if you will, brick. asciilifeform - d
mircea_popescu: as the australian slut once said to her boyfriend, "roses are red, violets are blue, i'm at mp's house cheating you you eh."
mircea_popescu: regex. guaranteed rewrite. every time.
phf: asciilifeform: i'll read it once the dust settles
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. "Enemy can spam the channel but each of his packets can be rejected in ~constant time~" - ahh! that clarifies matters for me. will comment on blog later by PC. ttyl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last reply is queued (contains phuctor link) and probably won't show up in trinque's feeder.
asciilifeform: incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ?
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#199 << ah, scheiße. unfortunately fix involves rewriting part of the log viewer which is based on regex. (to be clear, my fault entirely, of course). will be done - but not instantaneously, am afraid. thanks.
asciilifeform: at the door.
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/search/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc << sees one, not the other.
shinohai: Neither show up on the blockchain.info turd
mircea_popescu: but ftr, i only transmitted the first.
asciilifeform: well then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you care to reveal what you transmitted these with ?
asciilifeform: now that's interesting.
asciilifeform: either of them.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539596 << fwiw, as far as i can tell, my boxes never saw these. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: for this money, elliot also observed his pussy crushing doesn't work. went right back to it.
mircea_popescu: but then happily continued to act as if it did.
asciilifeform: eh hey we observed that the bloody thing doesn't reliably work, eons ago
mircea_popescu: there can by definition exist no meeting of the minds on such shaky, arbitrarily shapeshifting terrains.
mircea_popescu: the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: otherwise feel free to you know, stage mock debates/legal proceedings between payment processor ("we sent the txn as contractually obligated") and contracting firm ("we hired you to do the payments, do them") etc etc.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/bitcointalk-database-in-the-wild-for-some-time-now-new-forum-software-years-late/ << Qntra - BitcoinTalk Database In The Wild For Some Time Now, New Forum Software Years Late
mircea_popescu: lemme know if any of you turn it up anywhere.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539584 << lel even that link now seems dead. ☝︎
Framedragger: (and ftr hosting a parliament candidate's website on the same server as something to do with tmsr may have been a choice too curious.)
Framedragger: r them to recover, and meanwhile i'm off to a punk concert. ttyl.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo
mircea_popescu: but yes, there's ~no application one can work on that is going to be as seriously high demand as doing stuff here. people go through entire careers in corporate computer science without ever encountering the sort of omgwtfbbq you get for two week's stay.
Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover ☟︎
asciilifeform: betcha usg is as we speak in the process of writing the ban on 'hackinsider trading' or whatever claptrap.
asciilifeform: researchers. But it also represents an approach that bypasses the sort of legal maneuverings and threats, suppression of information, and inaction that have been experienced by researchers who have discovered vulnerabilities in other products. Researchers who discovered a vulnerability in Volkswagen electronic engine locks, for example, were forced to withhold a paper for two years through a court injunction filed by the automaker in
asciilifeform: rm that had "shorted" St. Jude's stock on the information in order to profit from a drop in the stock's value. The researchers at the security firm MedSec chose to take this route to disclosure, MedSec CEO Justine Bone said, to "ensure that St. Jude Medical responds appropriately and with urgency." The partnership with a short-seller is a fundamental departure from the established approach of responsible disclosure normally taken by
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/faRIr << and somehow we missed this gem. 'Trading in the stock of medical device manufacturer St. Jude Medical was halted Friday afternoon after a dramatic drop in its value. That drop was triggered by news of alleged vulnerabilities in the company's cardiac care devices. The vulnerability was disclosed not in a report by the company, but by security researchers partnered with Muddy Waters Capital, an investment fi
asciilifeform: in other noose, boeck delivers!1111 >> https://threatpost.com/number-of-devices-sharing-private-crypto-keys-up-sharply/120379 << guess of what there is 0 mention, etc.
Framedragger: if they send me a letter saying "our network got fucked due to ddos initiated at your ip" imma laugh
Framedragger: gonna learn to host tmsr stuff separately from $random_websites_for_relatives_etc , too; collateral damage much
Framedragger: so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no objections!! this is good stuff. can't see home partition under `mount` - disk subsystem appears to have failed. (so unfortunately may not be due to bots - yet; OR.. things are even more ominous, in which case, fun!)
shinohai: mircea_popescu Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE. <<< never a truer statement has been uttered.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE.