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mod6: !%a trb F "Possible DB Replacement with UNIX Filesystem" "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561093" ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: i've no idea why deedbot key is old, presumably it's fed from the same place that i use to up, and that's been refresh. i have the correct copy in btcbase's wot, http://btcbase.org/data/wot/phf.asc
mircea_popescu mutters to self, promises to get better at this
a111: Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 trinque: so, phf was the second after asciilifeform to have a key expire. we should probably discuss how this should be handled going forward.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554093 << iirc we had thread... ☝︎
asciilifeform: weird, the key i have here for mike_c doesn't seem to expire
BingoBoingo: brb, hammer time
BingoBoingo: Anyways the jostling of what consitutes unified GOP conservatism is moderated by a few referees. At present the longest serving referee is Rush Limbaugh.
BingoBoingo: WaPo at all last week were speculating that trump mailing list might have value, when it cannot because everyone on such list must be on 8 others readily whored and available.
asciilifeform: so yes, i buy a bottle of wine, and it somehow thereby follows that i go to communion and am in catholic church etc.
mircea_popescu: possibly due to xtian roots.
BingoBoingo: Anyways GOP "conservatism" imagines itself a monolith where buying into one part means marketing target buys into whole scamatron.
asciilifeform: he ate, yes, the silver.
asciilifeform: even more so than reading usg pravda.
asciilifeform: but the peculiarly insult to intelligence of the reader
asciilifeform: it was not the ~quantity~ of the spam that raised my eyebrow
BingoBoingo: Now, the DOP will also whore mailing lists but is far more selective. You join Sierra club you get spam but spam limited to candidates and advocacy for this issue money taken for. Or so sayeth victims of that side.
BingoBoingo voted Obama in 2008 because I threatened to if the spam didn't stop, and issue was forced.
BingoBoingo: Show the slighest interest in conservatism? How would you like a home freeze dryer for 7000 payments of $9999
BingoBoingo: What killed the GOP in the end was not Trump, but their mailing list whoring
asciilifeform: and yes, being on that list apparently nominates you for EVERY pyramid scheme, herbal viagra, !!!!!!URGENT!!!!! faux-irs envelope, etc. scam in usa. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (they had a deal whereby the shooting gallery was cheaper)
asciilifeform: who was, for some years, subscribed to all kinds of nonsensical snailmail spamola as result of once being in 'nra' ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is actually a subject somewhat 'near and dear' to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ~actual~ alternative affairs do not get airwave largesse from usg. they get banned, like isis-tentacle-not-pointed-ru-wards, and ddosed, like qntra.
mircea_popescu: guy is kind-of left in that "sarcasm" school of the 90s where you pick an anecdote and blow it up. the thing that got hot topic'ed into cracked.com and by now is so fucking forgotten it almost has cachet again
mircea_popescu: this is true. prolly what drives his post too.
asciilifeform: but going upstack, all of the 'names' in 'alternative' american whateverthefuck, blatantly shilled for, e.g., gold scams
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, talk to putin, i didn't come up with the shit.
mircea_popescu: what with their terrorism of pointing out that mosul and aleppo aren't that far apart.
asciilifeform: 'how to be less stupid so i don't have to use the ddt'
asciilifeform: epic, incidentally, failure, it is rather like lecturing to cockroaches
mircea_popescu: or, similarly, take rt. largest program of education of one group of idiots at the expense of another, "read this so you don't get stupid enough we have to nuke you"
asciilifeform: populace because you're doing your own independent research from an independent news source. Except you're not. You're an idiot who's going to lose all his teeth. These sites are using you for money...' << is not, however, false.
asciilifeform: 'Now I know what you're thinking, "but Maddox, I have all my teeth!" You won't for long. People who read alternate news sites will eventually lose their teeth. It's an Anankean inevitability; you're going to do something stupid like put a firecracker in your mouth because you are stupid. Want to know how I know? Because you read bullshit instead of news, and you not only think you're informed, but that you're smarter than the general
mircea_popescu: lol someone loses their job for being bad at it ? where this, in the us ?!
asciilifeform: 'Stop buying into this bullshit. You're getting played. If it's not a "main stream" news source, that means they don't have anyone to answer to and nobody will lose their job if they report inaccurate information. You're not "woke" for reading alternate news, you're a dipshit. Rather than poring over old news clips to prove that 9/11, Sandy Hook, or the Boston Marathon was an "inside job," you should go outside and get a job.' << gol
mircea_popescu: you never know with these things.
mircea_popescu: and so was the god forsaken land The Warlord died on.
mircea_popescu: what's it win ? it wins land. how does the whole thing work ? young man of visible worth, who is a knight, gets asked "do you wish to go take X mark and be the marquess there ?"
mircea_popescu: no, thread was re optionality. ie, if x wants to do it.
asciilifeform: well yes, can easily do whatever, but thread was re cost.
mircea_popescu: just because i could bomb city hall doesn't mean i may not register a church there. optionality is mine, all of it, without restraint. i can do both, if i feel like doing both.
asciilifeform: but that 'now it will matter how many of us are on preet's list, whereas before there was no list, and it did not'
asciilifeform: note, implication wasn't 'we will be forced to fellate preet'
mircea_popescu: the fact that i can fuck the girl in any hole i choose does not mean i am forbidding from asking her which hole itches today.
asciilifeform: whereas if we have icbm launchers and can demolish city hall, what's the point of registering with it to begin with.
mircea_popescu: who says you need 600 ? church holds title to the land, can't be expropriated
asciilifeform: well let's say new york city hall comes and 'we're closing the tmsr cathedral in manhattan b/c kako broke ranks and now you only have 599 people instead of the required 600.'
mircea_popescu: what two sets would those be ?
mircea_popescu: the lulz @cat-v.org idiots are instructive in this field. what matters to the powerless is an exercise left for onanists.
mircea_popescu: and once you register an irc channel "it begins to matter how many heads you got". depends to whom.
asciilifeform: from the pov of the imperial papershuffle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ianal but once you 'church' it begins to matter how many heads you got.
mircea_popescu: has ~0 to do* i mean
mircea_popescu: anyway, to return to the caller : incorporated church has ~0 with more amount of headcount number.
asciilifeform: and provide крыша for the rest.
asciilifeform: part of the recipe involves folks voluntarily falling on a certain grenade for the good of the tribe, and it is a very brutal one, they go to work in usg
asciilifeform: i am not expert on satmar, but i did once research the mormons, who also carried on imperium in imperio vs usg for a good long time.
mircea_popescu: nations exist where the father is not too cowardly to maintain discipline in the household.
asciilifeform: and in re last thread also, i know of 0 examples of anybody pulling this kind of thing off using strictly volunteers having no blood relation. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent satmar, of course, is named for satu mare, a small town in transylvania)
mircea_popescu: went to shit after the old guy died, but anyway.
asciilifeform: (according to him, they have a very effective, 'chechen', orcish style of organization, complete with omerta and folks sittin' in prison for one another, etc)
mircea_popescu: but, very much unlike the other groups usg hates, these survived a long while.
mircea_popescu: they opposed collegiate education for girls, as well as voting in israel etc. i dunno any group teh usg hates moar.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/zTytA << them ?
mircea_popescu recommends you read into the story of the satmar (bait : "If its schools in New York were a public school system, it would be the fourth-largest system in the state, after those of New York City, Buffalo and Rochester.")
mircea_popescu: these are orthogonal though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta why i was not much hot&bothered re the 'incorporate church' idea
mircea_popescu: somehow the st crispin speech never got through. classics be hard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this pervasive "surely you want more headcount, because headcount is a number and larger amounts of number is what everyone is all about".
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from commentz: 'Yeah, and people can be irrational and there are also shills and conspiracy theorists trying to find every reason to discredit the Core devs'
mircea_popescu: i suppose historical bias. empire always fights the last war it lost and all that.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this point upset teh empire recently. they really fucking imagined anyone WANTS the extras for some reason.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No one mentions Truth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lulzy, guess of what there is 0 mention.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the difference is marked. stalin had to shoot people to make example, because otherwise village wanted to be with the other guys. i am on the contrary - very happy to see every last idiot leave. stalin needed peons to work the tank factory, which works on peons. the shit we did - more people are a liability not a benefit.
BingoBoingo: In other news TRB leads the way! "Alert" system in PRB being retired via... ALERTS!!! https://archive.is/5OoKT
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in classical republicbuilding, your choice is either slaves, beaten weekly, ie best korea, or else taking it up in the ass, ie, rhodesia.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the hope is that we don't have the problem of the soviets, specifically because the republic has ~no problem with the idiots leaving to be with the usg&co.
asciilifeform: there are down sides, sure, to living as man, vs amoeba
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they call it "network effects", among the educated stupid, but really what it is - idiocy has no country. it's a thing, a substance, beyond identity. << Aka Baby Boomers lamenting that no one wants to hold hands and get along like during the post war politics of their grandfathers not realizing the handholding and hugs were the anomaly
mircea_popescu: the problem is that democracy is fundamentally going to become "modern" democracy, for this reason. the mass of stupid keeps accreting.
asciilifeform: and to the amoeba who 'just wants', the man, who has some mental activity above 'just wants' level is, yes, monster
asciilifeform: they, yes, 'just wanted to' levi jeans.
mircea_popescu: "i just want to"
asciilifeform: because yes, otherwise the pond scum will go to where the chewing gum is and what remains, looks like slug with salt.
mircea_popescu: they call it "network effects", among the educated stupid, but really what it is - idiocy has no country. it's a thing, a substance, beyond identity.
asciilifeform: it is why the walls were even ~there~
mircea_popescu: the desire of warsaw pact to "be like in the west" had nothing to do with anything, and most pointedly had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with their pretensions and aspersions at the time (freedom, liberty, blabla). it was EXCLUSIVELY a case of "stupid lazy idiots over there! we wanna go!!1"
mircea_popescu: so : eiother you beat the girls for using facebook, or else you're stuck with facebook. because that's where the stupid is.
asciilifeform: i'd not mind living to watch this.
mircea_popescu: basically, stupid people are not people in any sense, but simply stupid. and they wish to be with their true brothers and sisters.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is very much that the small country isn't swallowed up by the macdonalds. on the contrary : it swallows the macd.
asciilifeform: (incidentally anyone who wants to ask 'would you move there' can stuff the q up his arse. northkr is an ethnostate and quite un-universalizing, the proposition is without any useful meaning.)
asciilifeform: northkr may well be the last 'soviet coldwallet' remaining.
asciilifeform: whether it 'ought to give in', so the koreans can have levi jeans and wriggleys chewing gum, or continue to work 100 hr weeks semi-starved so that they can carry on the parallel civilization experiment and not turn into 59th shit state of usa, keeping company with puerto rico, is a ~value~ call
asciilifeform: as for the 'crayzeee', i'm not convinced that is is possible to keep a small and blockaded country from being swallowed up by the mcdonalds monster without some 'crayzeee.'
asciilifeform: but it isn't there yet.