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mircea_popescu: there's an easy mistake to make here where we look at the past and presume it's the present. gotta recall at the time most people (myself included) did not even regard the matter
as serious enough to warrant permalogging.
mircea_popescu: "it has good instincts
as to what's funny and what's not". really ?
ben_vulpes: i did mistake that to mean "vs the public is pointed to
as example vs. vs whose operations are private to the owner"
☟︎ pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: please to s/being/behind in pencil piece
as per ben_vulpes' appreciated astutery.
mircea_popescu: universality and hardness are orthogonal, how hard a diamond is
as a standard of realistic hardness has entirely nothing to do with how many cunts wear one around their whatever appendage.
mircea_popescu: if it's any good, you can always sign it later
as phf.
mircea_popescu: phf you don't have to post a snippet of code
as ~vpatch~. can just pastebin it also
mircea_popescu: software design
as god intended. FIRST you do by hand ; THEN you automate the parts worth automating.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her
as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
mircea_popescu hasn't fucked that many indian womenz has not much clue
as to their native barking system.
mircea_popescu: this otherwise defensible stand (at least in general) is why computer languages may never become more than shopping lists ; but then again fashion-behaviour (
as seen in both languages and github/reddit) may have the last word.
phf: another take on this might be common lisp vs scheme. cl was standardized after the fact, existed and evolved on lisp machines. i'm looking at mit's cadr at the moment, and at a certain point you have maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp and "common lisp" all coexisting on the same machine, 10 years before the standard was written. scheme on the other hand was esparantoed for a purpose. the result is that
as you move closer to speaking common
mircea_popescu: yes, but they were idiots in another way : much like stalin's central planning committee (
as implemented by the stuart court in london) can't beat the disorganised merchants of the low countries - just so five dorks with nary a clue can't compete with the combinatorial experimentation of the actual pigdin.
mircea_popescu: and your objection to "ukrainian" which is a lulz much like the "croatian" for instance doesn't come and isn't informed nor supported by "the poor quality of conventions employed". it's its lack of history that marks it, correctly,
as nonsense.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind that at the height of jewish idiocy (well, 2nd height, after being stupid in the 30s) manifested
as israel socialism, uppity bitches pretended to "teach" their daughters to be naked in public because "no shame" because hey, old woman engineer thinks herself powerful enough to repress the male gaze.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a language is not a car nor an aeroplane. also engineers are not nearly
as important ; or powerful
as they like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: and in other argentine wtf, /me felt like putting some of the grandiose coffee available here to good use
as coffee liqueur. sent girl to farmacy, where she bought 1 liter bottle of pure ethylic alcohol (98%). for like 6 bux. it's fabulous, tastes mildly of corn.
trinque: Teechan is similar in design to the Lightning Network, save for one crucial differentiating factor: it leverages trusted execution environments (TEEs), that is, secure hardware components found in recent commodity processors such
as the latest batch of Intel CPUs with Software Guard Extensions (SGX). << why the fuck even bother talking about this
trinque: the xfs limit is iirc defined
as "how much disk space do you want to use for them"
trinque: ben_vulpes: wooo! I'll test that soon
as I have coffee in hand.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:38 ben_vulpes: but if it doesn't show me which patches are lacking sigs, that strikes me
as a bug.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:34 mod6: the printable flow, is the same
as the pressable flow.
mircea_popescu: aaaanyway. mimi's in a fine position to try this out, attach old drive, write script to spit them out
as per schema, see what occurs.
mircea_popescu: you'd end up with (
as proposed there) a directory tree like 20 layers deep, with thousands of symlinks in each.
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586531 << i don't recall the proposed tests, actually. i mulled on this for a bit, am reluctant to try any sort of implementation until i finish the sqlator which a) is probably just sunk cost fallacy rearing its head,
as i've done not much there but design the schema and prep a massive ingest job and b) has now been bumped down my todo list *again* in favor of vtronic
☝︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously. Anyways the Granite City and Gary Mill are
as described, opened enough to get machines warm.
mircea_popescu: so there's no real strong categorical difference from theory. but in practice it sure
as fuck exists.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's possible that
as technology matures it goes from this stage to "yawn, whatever, just use the cannonical version". so there's possibly that path there.
mircea_popescu: i perceive no benefit to, eg, getting everyone to use mod6's or alf's or anyone else's v implementation,
as opposed to the present situation ; just
as i perceive no advantage to getting everyone to make "his own" trb.
mircea_popescu: more or less loud recalibrations
as practice crystallizes to be expected in such circumstance.
mod6: i mean, we could do it that way... where the printable flow tells you which do not have sigs, but then impl-wise, they must be two different lists
as to not inadvertantly press out a WILD vpatch. that, or re-check the flow at press time.
ben_vulpes: but if it doesn't show me which patches are lacking sigs, that strikes me
as a bug.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: that we print it
as a list is an unfortunate accident.
mod6: the printable flow, is the same
as the pressable flow.
☟︎ ben_vulpes:
as asciilifeform's original and mine did.
ben_vulpes: the antecedent chain can be constructed without ever needing to refer to the signing of patches, and imho should show all patches in the flow, alongside which keys signed them and if none then marked
as wild
ben_vulpes: they should still appear in the flow but marked
as wild.
ben_vulpes: well, hang on. if patches with no sigs are omitted from flow, they won't show up
as WILD in the flow, correct?
phf: ben_vulpes: well, actually "r" pronounced
as "g" is an infamous yiddish lisp
mod6: creating a genesis is a different thing too; v create a genesis of v. which i did work out, but alas,
as you are eluding to, i never published because was nervous that it hadn't been very well audited yet.
trinque: V
as conceived
as a political weapon against the shitsucking github fuck does not work without the attribution the signatures provide
trinque: my objects can be better stated
as an irritation that the political considerations here do not seem to be driving the conversation.
mod6: but i'm trying to get down to brass tacks
as much
as possible.
ben_vulpes: i'm pretty sure the design
as described above is correct. the way i imagined this working in steady state is for patches and .seals to accumulate all of the patches and signatures thereof a user'd seen over all of history, and then the contents of .wot used to filter the patches and press used to pick a head.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> so long
as there is at least one signature for a patch, for which signature v can import a corresponding key, on the basis of the wot, that patch should press. << ftfy.
ben_vulpes: so long
as there is at least one signature for which v can import a corresponding key, that patch should press.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 00:52 mircea_popescu: the key being, that if you allow pressing without signatures, then git qualifies
as a v implementation.
trinque:
as an aside, an environment where "man makes own necessities" out of still simpler tools he can combine
as he likes, strikes me
as ideal.
mircea_popescu: the key being, that if you allow pressing without signatures, then git qualifies
as a v implementation.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: such
as in "what classes of objections can or can't be brought to a v implementation"
mod6: this perhaps works
as is, in a way.
mod6: but if you hvae ~no~ seals, then you can press it sure. the 'flow' will represent these
as WILD.
mod6: or if I have bad signatures, then it'll complain
as well.
mircea_popescu: if you want to not be bothered with signing things - make a shit key and use that eg in an emacs module or
as an output script or w/e
mod6: Currently, if a WILD vpatch is in the flow, it will just press it
as long
as it is based correctly.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 18:21 mircea_popescu: in any case - mental models of logic,
as with mental models of anything found in nature -, are approximations. the same mechanism that allows a guy to isolate 0* from null.predicate allows one all sorts of psycho-imunological responses that are rather requisite to maintain the subjective notion of the self ~in a format comprehensible to itself~!
trinque: purpose
as opposed to cause
mircea_popescu: so far i'm opting out of the entire "systematic slavery" thing ; it is a private not public matter entirely opaque to they-who-aren-t-me, which makes me-
as-slaveholder rather divine in nature.
mircea_popescu: so she'll still frottage the shit out of teddybears
as a 19yo because hey.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i met two kinds of women in this life ; the kind that'd hang out with anyone just
as long
as they didn't go to jail/starve/whatever ; and the kind that'd hang out with me if it meant underground.
mircea_popescu: traditionally,
as well
as here, the value of trying aristotle is that it allows one to expose his own cluelessnes, which is generally beneficial.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha! ok this is sweet : "Now he's waist deep. Yes, you can describe all motion
as a compound of linear and circular motion. For that matter, vectors treat all motion
as combinations of linear motion."
mircea_popescu: should be pretty evident that a dimension defined in terms of divisibility is very fundamentally not the same thing
as the latin notion of dimension-
as-extensibility.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's many problems ; it's not even the case that the greek notion of "dimension" at all maps to anything here extant. the discussion is carried on trilema on easier things such
as "power" etc ; but in any case, it's rather like having lisp types arbitrarily sloshed around. you don't just add 5+5 like that, if they're different types.
mircea_popescu: (there is no such thing
as an inaccessible physical system by the definition of the terms.)
mircea_popescu:
as generally happens, mongols will comprehend the bums better than the middle class.
mircea_popescu: i didn't say that. i said - that dutch's writing is interesting
as of dutch ; not much
as of aristotle.
mircea_popescu: which he did sound like ; and which is why he doesn't figure
as proeminently among the greeks of his time
as he does among moderns.